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The New Yorker - 08.20/27.01

The Searchers: Radiohead's unquiet revolution

by Alex Ross


On a hot day in May, the city of Bilbao was shaken by a velvety roar, not unlike the sound of a jet plane waiting on a tarmac. At one end of Calle de Iparraguirre, which cuts across the town, the silver shell of the Guggenheim Museum was glistening in the sun. For a moment, it seemed as if the noise were coming from there—as if the building were about to lift off and rocket elsewhere. In fact, the source of the disturbance was a local bullring, the Vista Alegre, where a German experimental d.j. named Christoph de Babalon was testing his gear. He was the opening act for Radiohead, a five-man rock band from Oxford, England. Radiohead fans were gathered at the entrance, staring up at the sound and asking what it meant. One had on a Kafka T-shirt, and others wore shirts with a Radiohead logo, which can only be described as a demon in tears.

A side door led to a concrete corridor, where the bulls run on an ordinary day. From there, planks reached out to a temporary stage. Christoph was in the center, eying his mixer and his CD players. With ice-blond hair and black sunglasses, he looked like a young Bond villain, but he turned out to be a friendly, chatty sort of sonic terrorist. "I am familiar with dark, small clubs," he said after the sound check. "Now it is like I am in a gladiator film." He mentioned some of his musical influences, which included avant-garde figures like Merzbow and the composer Morton Feldman. "Sometimes I work with beats, sometimes with layers," he said. "Tonight I do layers."

Popular music in the year 2001 is in a state of suspense. No one can say where the mystery train is going. On the one hand, the Top Forty chart is overrun with dancers, models, actors, and the like; on the other hand, there are signs that pop music is once again becoming a safe place for creative musicians. The world fame of Radiohead is a case in point. Having established themselves with tuneful guitar rock in the nineties, the members of this band took the risk of doing as they liked, and they discovered things about the marketplace which others had missed. Last year, they released an album titled "Kid A," an eerily comforting blend of rock riffs, jazz chords, classical textures, and electronic noise, which, in a demolition of conventional wisdom, went to No. 1 on the Billboard chart. "Amnesiac," its like-minded successor, came out in June and is doing just as well. Radiohead's selling point is not their identification with any one genre but their way of ranging over music as a whole. They have intensity, intelligence, a personality in sound. In Bilbao, they were present in spirit before they played. The idea of placing a German d.j. in a Spanish bullring was Radiohead to the core—a tricky, eclectic song waiting to happen.

Christoph went to his dressing room, and the stage was empty for a while. Two shirtless old men sat on stone steps, looking as though they had not moved since Franco died. Radiohead's gear basked in the sun. On the left-hand side was a rack of guitars—twenty-three in all. Up front, in an area set aside for Ed O'Brien, one of three guitarists in the band, was a tangle of pedals, samplers, and inch-thick cords. In the center of the stage, to be shared by Colin Greenwood, the bass player, and Thom Yorke, the singer, were various keyboards, a piano, and an upright bass. Equipment for Colin's younger brother, Jonny Greenwood, stood on the right: more guitars, more keyboards, a xylophone, a transistor radio, a sci-fi stack of analog synthesizers, and a modified ondes martenot, one of the earliest electronic instruments. The ondes martenot is controlled by a ring that slides along a wire; fewer than a hundred people have mastered it, and Jonny is one. The only really conventional-looking apparatus was the drum set, although you could tell by some distress on the edges of the drums that the player, Phil Selway, had attacked the sides as well as the skins.

Backstage, the members of Radiohead were eating dinner. Colin Greenwood hovered over the catering table, inspecting an array of Basque dishes. He is typical of the group in that he looks nothing like a celebrity who has sold fifteen million records. He is thirty-two years old, with jet-black hair and large, kindly eyes. He is easily distracted and delighted by the world around him, favoring the words "mad," "brilliant," and "amazing"—the last spoken with a long, liquid stress on the second syllable. He has a habit of suddenly burying his face in his hands, as if he were sinking into despair, or falling asleep; after a moment, his face lights up again. Lavishly well-read, he can talk at length about almost any topic under the sun—Belgian fashion; the stories of John Cheever; the effect of different types of charcoal on barbecued meat—but he gets embarrassed by his erudition and cuts himself off by saying, "I'm rambling." He is not above wearing a T-shirt that says "Life's a beach and then you shag." You might peg him as a cultish young neo-Marxist professor, or as the editor of a hip quarterly. But he is a rock star, with several Web pages devoted to him.

"It's full on out there, isn't it?" Greenwood said, looking toward the bullring, which was filling up with fans. "I'm scared." He occupied himself by talking about "Faust's Metropolis," Alexandra Richie's thousand-page history of Berlin. Outside, Christoph began to play for real, and was received in bemused silence.

An hour later, Radiohead hit the stage with a confidence that had been invisible before the show. The sound was huge, but it was awash in colors, contrasts, and detail. It was grand in effect, cool in tone, dark in mood. The set was a mixture of older tunes, from the band's breakthrough albums of the mid-nineties—"The Bends" and "OK Computer"—and newer ones, from "Kid A" and "Amnesiac." The old songs had choruses that the fans knew by heart, but the new ones, which have been described as "anti-commercial" in the rock press, made the crowd dance harder. "Idioteque" set off fierce rhythmic clapping, even though it was dominated by jagged beats, computer-music samples, and squawks from the old-school synths. It must have helped that the singer, when he was done singing, launched into a demonically silly dance, kicking his legs as if someone were firing a gun at his feet. It may also have helped, on an unconscious level, that love-drunk chords from "Tristan und Isolde" lurked at the heart of the song, courtesy of a Paul Lansky composition called "Mild und Leise."

In the middle of the set, Radiohead played a song called "Airbag," which showed why this band is taken as seriously as any since the Beatles. It was a rugged ritual, full of cabalistic exchanges, with each player taking a decisive role. Jonny started off with a melody that snaked along in uneven time — one-two-three-one-two-three-one-two — and swayed between A major and F major. O'Brien added leaner, brighter curlicues on guitar. Selway came in with a precise but heavily syncopated beat. Then Yorke began to sing, in a well-schooled, plaintive voice, an oblique account of a near-fatal collision: "In the next world war / In a jackknifed juggernaut / I am born again." At the mention of war, Colin let loose a jumpy bass line, giving a funky spin to the hymns in the treble. The music cut through a jumble of verses and choruses, then held fast to a single chord, as Yorke fell into synch with O'Brien's chiming lines. Just before the end, Colin grinned, leaped in the air a couple of times, and seized hold of his brother's tune, the one that had set the song in motion. The doubling of the theme had a kind of thunderous logic, as if an equation had been solved. The interplay was as engaging to the mind as anything that has been done in classical music recently, but you could jump up and down to it.

In the old days, rock bands had a haircut, a lingo, a house style. The disconcerting thing about Radiohead is that its members do not really look or act alike. They are basically a group of smart English guys in their late twenties and early thirties. They read books, but they also check the football scores. Three are married; two have kids; all live in Oxford, where they grew up. Thom Yorke, who writes most of the songs, is compact, boyish, and impish; he has a lethally quick mind and a subtly powerful charisma. Ed O'Brien, almost a foot taller than Yorke, has the jutting jaw and floppy bangs of an actor in a period war movie; he is suave and direct and seems to have rolled in from a different posse. Jonny Greenwood, a lanky figure with unruly black hair, is more cautious than his brother Colin, but when he starts talking he excitedly involves himself in dense, Victorian sentences, biting clauses out of the air. Phil Selway is bald and sweet-faced, and talks in a gentle voice. He looks like the nice, ordinary one, but he often has a trace of a wicked smile.

How these five mildly eccentric young Englishmen became the Knights Templar of rock and roll is anyone's guess. They are not too sure themselves. "Everyone comes to us with their heads bowed, expecting to be inducted into the mystery of Radiohead," Selway said. He made a King Tut gesture with his arms. "We were hoist on our own petard with that. At a certain point, around 1997, we were simply overwhelmed and had to vanish for a bit. This was our honest reaction to the situation we were in. But some people thought we were playing a game, or had started taking ourselves too seriously. Really, we don't want people twiddling their goatees over our stuff. What we do is pure escapism."

What happened to Radiohead in 1997 was that they caught a wave of generational anxiety. The album "OK Computer," with titles like "Paranoid Android," "Karma Police," and "Climbing Up the Walls," pictured the onslaught of the information age and a young person's panicky embrace of it. Yorke's lyrics seem a mixture of overheard conversations, techno-speak, and fragments of a harsh diary: "I trust I can rely on your vote"; "An airbag saved my life"; "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." The songs offered images of riot police at political rallies, anguished lives in pretty suburbs, yuppies freaking out, sympathetic aliens hovering overhead. Yorke even dared to describe the feeling of letdown that follows a blast of hype, such as the one his band was producing. "When it comes, it's so-so," he sang. "It always ends up drivel." The album sold more than four million copies worldwide, enabling the group to become, by 1999, an independent operation. Radiohead were the poster boys for a certain kind of knowing alienation—as the Talking Heads and R.E.M. had been before.

Radiohead remain a magnet for misfits everywhere, but their outsider status is only a part of their appeal. What fans seem to like, even more than the content of the songs, is the sense that the band members have labored over every aspect of the product. They are skilled, first of all, at inventing the kinds of riddles that teen-agers enjoy unravelling. The records, the videos, the official Web site, even the T-shirts all cry out for interpretation. Why are words spelled funny? What are all these charts and diagrams? What about the grinning bears and crying Minotaurs? "We liked worrying over that kind of thing when we were kids, and we're still in the same mind-set a lot of the time," Selway said. "But it's a bit incidental. We're dead set on the music. That's the thread running through this whole thing. We met at school playing music together, and we still get together over music now. We like solving musical puzzles. That's what Thom gives us."

A Radiohead song is usually written in three stages. First, Yorke comes up with a rough sketch; then Jonny, who studied classical composition in school, fleshes out the harmony; finally, the others digest it for a while, working out their parts on their own. It can be months, even years, before a song comes together in a way that satisfies all of them. Take away any one element—Selway's flickering rhythmic grid, for example, fierce in execution and trippy in effect—and Radiohead are a different band. The five together form a single mind, with its own habits and tics—the Radiohead Composer. This personality can be glimpsed in the daily bustle of the group, but you can never meet it face to face, because it lives in the music. A lot of what has been written about Radiohead—there are six books, hundreds of magazine articles, and millions of words on the Internet—circles around an absent center.

During Radiohead's recent tours, the best picture of the band at work came during the sound checks. Yorke led these pre-show rituals with the assurance of a seasoned conductor with limited rehearsal time. He'd shout "Next!" just as a song was building to its climax. All problems had to be addressed on the spot. At one point, Colin said, "That's something we can work on later," whereupon Yorke muttered to himself, and Colin added, a little wearily, "It is also something we can work on now." There were moments, though, when Yorke was at a loss. Once, during a run-through of "The Tourist," he forgot the final chord, and so did everyone else—including Jonny, who had written the song. "Does anyone have a copy of 'OK Computer'?" Yorke called out. No one did. The Composer was taking a nap. A couple of weeks later, the problem still hadn't been solved. "Shall we nominate an ending and play through it to see what it sounds like?" O'Brien said, impatiently. "What do you have in mind?" Yorke said. "D7, perhaps?" "O.K., let's try it."

On their days off, Radiohead dissolve into literate anarchy. They buzz with curiosity, pepper strangers with questions, digest the answers, and wander off on their own. On the day after the Bilbao show, they took a ramble around the city, and the city was caught off guard. One stop was the Guggenheim, where they had an unsuspecting tour guide named Maria. While Maria was still trying to muster everyone in one place, Colin began reciting facts about the structure: "The limestone had to be cut by a computer. Each curve has its own algorithm. I read an article somewhere. The A/C is fucking brilliant, man. Air pumps out of that vent way up there and goes all the way down here." When Colin arrived in front of Richard Serra's massive steel sculptures, he declared that one of the pieces had gone missing from its usual place. "This is wrong," he said. "There should be a second plate bisecting the first." Selway and O'Brien started making fun of him—"Can't have gone far"; "Call lost and found"—but Maria confirmed that, in fact, the sculptures had been rearranged. As Radiohead fanned out through the museum, clumps of fans in "Kid A" T-shirts followed at a respectful distance. The group slowly disintegrated, and Maria gave up. At the exit, she said sternly, "Not once this entire time have you all been together." Yorke smiled sympathetically and replied, "Not the first time, won't be the last."

The same day, the band had a meal at a restaurant called Etxebarri, in the hills above Bilbao. The conversation was an intelligent blur, jumping from high to low and back again. On one side of the table, Jonny was talking about twentieth-century classical music. "I've been listening to a CD of Berg's 'Lulu' Suite," he said, picking at a plate of lettuce. "I'm killing myself because I forgot to bring my Messiaen." Jonny is fascinated by Olivier Messiaen, the late French composer; it is because of Messiaen that he became interested in the ondes martenot, which is featured in many of the composer's works. "I heard the 'Turangalîla Symphony' when I was fifteen," Jonny went on, "and I became round-the-bend obsessed with it. I wish I could have met him or shaken his hand. I did get to meet his sister-in-law, the ondeiste Jeanne Loriod. I'm learning Messiaen's 'Trois Petites Liturgies' for a performance in London." Jonny also mentioned a meeting with Esa-Pekka Salonen, the music director of the Los Angeles Philharmonic, who wants Radiohead to write a work for him.

On the other side of the table, Yorke, whose meal consisted of a bowl of bean soup, started complaining about pop-music conglomerates. He and the rest of the band have become politically outspoken, protesting globalization and corporate capitalism. The previous night, he had dedicated "No Surprises"—which contains the lines "Bring down the government / They don't speak for us"—to George W. Bush. This summer, Radiohead have chosen to play a number of open-air venues—such as Liberty State Park, in Jersey City, where they are appearing on August 16th and 17th—because these sites have so far escaped the tentacles of an aggressive promotion company called S.F.X., whose parent corporation, Clear Channel, also operates more than a thousand radio stations.

"S.F.X. is a parasite that needs a host to feed on," Yorke said.

"It's effective only as long as it keeps growing," O'Brien added. "At some point, it will cease growing, and then its reason to exist will disappear."

"No," Yorke said, "it's a virus that's just going to keep spreading forever."

Chris Hufford, one of the band's managers, who has to negotiate with viruses on the phone, grew impatient. "This is reality, Thom," he said. "This is the marketplace we're in."

"No," Yorke replied, "the marketplace is where we sell records. This isn't the marketplace. It's an area of, I don't know, oversight."

"Come on," Hufford said, "it's capitalism, it's what we have to work with."

"Bollocks!"

"Capitalism!"

"Bollocks!" Yorke yelled. He got up in a mock huff to go to the bathroom. Colin looked up from his steak and gestured toward the wine in the middle of the table. "Brilliant!" he exclaimed. "Booze in the afternoon!"

That night, Radiohead got on a bus to go to their next gig, in the French village of Vaison-la-Romaine. They played a show at a magnificent Roman amphitheatre there, and then went to Verona, in Italy, where they performed for a crowd of fifteen thousand in the legendary Arena, displacing scenery for "Aida" onto the piazza. Along the way, they made on-the-fly recordings with Nigel Godrich, their young, wizardly producer, on assorted Apple PowerBooks; appeared on a popular BBC radio show called "Mark & Lard," where they were required to shout the phrase "Biggity-biggity-bong!"; greeted a radio-contest winner who hailed Yorke as "a genius" and "sincere"; and avoided some overzealous fans who hollered, "We have come all the way from Venezuela, give us your autograph!" even though they had French accents and were not from Venezuela. There were also quiet moments here and there, as when they sat in a hotel lobby reading the English papers, sun streaming on the marble, and seemed to be fulfilling Colin's notion of the band as "the E. M. Forster of rock."

Radiohead began at Abingdon School, a boys' school outside Oxford. Abingdon has a history dating back to the twelfth century, but it is not an élite bastion on the order of Eton or Winchester. Its students tend to come from the Thames Valley region, rather than from all over England, and many rely on scholarships. The members of Radiohead were born into ordinary middle-class families: Yorke's father was a chemical-equipment supplier; Jonny and Colin's father served in the Army. They were, basically, townies—the kids on the other side of the ancient walls. Even at Abingdon, they felt out of place. The headmaster of the school, Michael St. John Parker, cultivated a pompous manner that many alumni—not just Radiohead—remember less than fondly. Parker is still in charge, and has described the school spirit in these terms: "Competition is promoted, achievement is applauded, and individual dynamism is encouraged."

In schools of this kind, many students gravitate to the art, music, and drama departments, where the sense of discipline is looser. For Radiohead, the saving grace of Abingdon was an exceptional teacher named Terence Gilmore-James, who headed the music program. "I was a sort of leper at the time," Yorke recalled, "and he was the only one who was nice to me." Yorke was born with his left eye paralyzed; in his childhood, he endured a series of not entirely successful operations to correct it, and the oddity of his half-open eye made him a target for bullies. Tougher than he looked, he often fought back, but he preferred to disappear. "School was bearable for me because the music department was separate from the rest of the school," he said. "It had pianos in tiny booths, and I used to spend a lot of time hanging around there after school, waiting for my dad to come home from work." Other members of the band also studied with Gilmore-James and were encouraged by him. "When we started, it was very important that we got support from him," Colin said, "because we weren't getting any from the headmaster. You know, the man once sent us a bill, charging us for the use of school property, because we practiced in one of the music rooms on a Sunday."

The yen for freedom in Radiohead's sound owes a lot to Gilmore-James, who immersed his students in twentiethcentury classical music, avant-garde music of the postwar era, classic jazz, and film scores. Once, he had the school orchestra perform Richard Rodney Bennett's score for "Murder on the Orient Express" while the film was playing. He left Abingdon in 1987 to devote himself to the legacy of his father-in-law, the Welsh composer Mansel Thomas, whose music he is editing for publication. "I watch over Radiohead much as I watch over my children," he said in a phone call. He spoke with the fastidiousness of a lifelong teacher, and yet his tone was enthusiastic rather than dogmatic. "They were all of them talented boys, in the sense that they had more than average abilities to think for themselves. I was of a different generation, and I did not always grasp what they were after, but I knew that they were serious. And they were delightful to be around, always getting carried away by their latest discoveries. Whenever I see them"—his voice became firm—"I tell them that they must continue to pursue their own original line."

In the schoolboy cadre of Radiohead, Yorke was the bossy one from the start. His very first words to Selway at rehearsal were "Can't you play any fucking faster?" The band's early songs were all over the map, sounding variously like the Smiths, R. E. M., Sonic Youth, and the Talking Heads, whose song "Radio Head" gave the group its name. (At first, they performed under the name On a Friday, but they wisely changed their minds.) The strongest influence came from the Pixies, the incontestably great but never world-famous Boston band whose gritty, brainy songs, shaded soft and loud, also inspired Nirvana. Even as the boys wandered off to university, they got together over weekends, practicing, arguing, and searching for a style. In 1991, Hufford, the co-owner of an Oxford sound studio, came to hear them play, at a place called the Jericho Tavern, and was mesmerized by Yorke's dire energy onstage. He and his partner Bryce Edge produced a demo tape and signed on as managers. Colin, who was working at a record store, gave the tape to Keith Wozencroft, a sales rep for EMI, who moved to A. & R. shortly afterward and began to tout the band. They signed with EMI later that year.

"I was getting ready to quit EMI when these lads appeared," Carol Baxter, Radiohead's international record-company representative, recalled. "Bunch of disturbed consumptives, I thought. But they were ambitious and smart. At first, I had to hide my Radiohead paperwork behind the Tina Turner and Queensrÿche files, because my boss thought I was wasting my time. Then the call came in, from Israel, actually, saying that the band had a hit." Tim Greaves, Radiohead's longtime tour manager, commented on the band's overnight success. "The funny thing about Radiohead early on was that they were more famous abroad than in England," he said. "They'd go around in a van, playing in sweaty little clubs. Then they'd go to Israel and they were rock stars. Same in America. Then it was back to England, back to the van, back to the clubs. They had a good early introduction to the relativity of fame. Fame for this band is a holiday that lasts a few weeks."

Radiohead's ticket to fame was a song called "Creep." It became a worldwide hit in 1993, when grunge rock was at its height. The lyrics spelled out the self-lacerating rage of an unsuccessful crush: "You're so fucking special / I wish I was special / But I'm a creep." The music was modelled on Pixies songs like "Where Is My Mind?": stately arpeggios, then an electric squall. What set "Creep" apart from the grunge of the early nineties was the grandeur of its chords—in particular, its regal turn from G major to B major. No matter how many times you hear the song, the second chord still sails beautifully out of the blue. The lyrics may be saying, "I'm a creep," but the music is saying, "I am majestic." The sense of coiled power is increased by several horrible stabs of noise on Jonny Greenwood's guitar. Radiohead have stopped playing "Creep," more or less, but it still hits home when it comes on the radio. When Beavis of "Beavis and Butt-head" heard the noisy part, he said, "Rock!" But why, he wondered, didn't the song rock from beginning to end? "If they didn't have, like, a part of the song that sucked, then, it's like, the other part wouldn't be as cool," Butt-head explained.

"Creep," as Butt-head must have noticed, was the first of many Radiohead songs that used pivot tones, in which one note of a chord is held until a new chord is formed around it. (In the turn from G to B, the note B is the pivot point.) "Yeah, that's my only trick," Yorke said, when this was pointed out to him. "I've got one trick and that's it, and I'm really going to have to learn a new one. Pedals, banging away through everything." But a reliance on pedal tones and pivot tones isn't necessarily a limitation: the Romantic composers worked to death the idea that any chord could turn on a dime toward another. Yorke's "pedals" help give Radiohead songs a bittersweet, doomy taste. ("Airbag," for example, being in A major, ought to be a bright thing, but the intrusion of F and C tones tilts the music toward the minor mode. "Morning Bell" sways darkly between A minor and C-sharp minor.) It's a looser, roomier kind of harmony than the standard I-IV-V-I, and it gives the songs a distinct personality. It also helps sell records: whether playing guitar rock or sampling spaced-out electronica, Radiohead affix their signature.

Through the years, many bands have thrown bits and pieces of jazz and classical into their mix. The Beatles were by far the best at this kind of genre assimilation. Lesser psychedelic and prog-rock bands turned orchestral crescendos and jazz freak-outs into another brand of kitsch. But Radiohead's classical complexity isn't pasted on the surface; it's planted at the core. If you did a breakdown of the music, you'd find the same harmonic DNA everywhere. Another trademark is the band's use of musical space. Riffs are always switching registers, bouncing from treble to bass, breaking through the ceiling or falling through the floor. In "Just," from "The Bends," the Greenwood brothers play octatonic scales that sprawl over four octaves; the effect is of music looming miles above you.

There are times when Radiohead seem to be practicing a new kind of classical music for the masses. In the sessions for "Kid A" and "Amnesiac," which began in 1999 and dragged on for a year and a half, their sound became bewitchingly intricate. On "Pyramid Song," for example, a string section played glissando harmonics, a texture that Stravinsky's "Firebird" made famous, while Selway laid on a shuffling rhythm that defies description, because, as he said, "there is no time signature." On "Dollars & Cents," O'Brien used a pedal to bend a chord from major to minor and back again. For "Like Spinning Plates," Yorke learned the vocal line of an unused song backward and made up new words while driving around in his car. The guitarists set aside their instruments for a while and taught themselves to use heaps of electronic equipment. In "Treefingers," on "Kid A," O'Brien generated something that sounded a lot like Jonny's beloved Messiaen. Both albums were also heavily influenced by jazz, especially by Mingus, Alice Coltrane, and Miles Davis in his fusion phase.

Behind this creative frenzy, however, was an ongoing debate about the direction of the band. The five of them often have to thrash out issues among themselves: how to balance tours with family life; how to keep the media at bay; how, simply, to get along. In this case, Yorke was fed up with the kind of verse-and-chorus music Radiohead had made throughout the nineties, and not everyone else agreed. O'Brien, in particular, thought that the band should return to the kind of classic guitar rock that by the end of the decade had become an endangered species. "There was a lot of arguing," Nigel Godrich recalled. "People stopped talking to one another. 'Insanity' is the word. In the end, I think the debate was redundant, because the band ultimately kept doing what it has always done—zigzagging between extremes. Whenever we really did try to impose an aesthetic from the outside—the aesthetic being, say, electronic—it would fail. All the drama was just a form of procrastination. Next time, three weeks, and we're out."

Radiohead may change direction once again. Several songs on "Amnesiac" stand out for their straight-ahead pop appeal. "I Might Be Wrong" is all snarling guitars; "Knives Out" goes back to the clean-cut heartbreak of the Smiths. The ominously beautiful "Pyramid Song" could almost be a variation on "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot":

I jumped in the river, what did I see?
Black-eyed angels swam with me. . . .
We all went to heaven in a little rowboat
There was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt.

This is very much Yorke's song, and it sounds best when he performs it alone, on an upright piano. You notice that he sings from the chest, breathing through his phrases. You also notice the plain mystery of his piano chords. Laced with suspended tones, they hang mysteriously in the air, somewhere between serenity and sadness. "I bought a piano after 'OK Computer,' at a time when picking up a guitar just didn't do anything for me at all," he says. "I bought a really flashy piano that I couldn't play at all. In true rock-star style." In fact, he gets a warm, mellow tone out of the piano, caressing rather than pounding the keys. He keeps his wrists high, as if Terence Gilmore-James were looking over his shoulder.

Yorke is the essential spark of the Radiohead phenomenon. Like all greatly gifted people, he is not always easy to be around. When a stranger approaches him, wanting unscheduled attention, he can be unsettlingly mute. He is, by his own admission, temperamental and chronically dissatisfied. But his fault-finding circles back to the music, which is why the other band members go along with it. When he is happy, it feels like history in the making. Curled up on a dressing-room sofa after a show, he comes across as warm, alert, and faintly mischievous. "It's nice when people talk to you as if you're a human being, rather than as if you'd just landed from another planet," he said. "We're fallible, this is fallible, sometimes we're shit, sometimes we're not. We want to kind of mellow it all out a bit. Just chill the fuck out." He grinned quickly, perhaps realizing that the last phrase was a contradiction in terms.

At the beginning of June, "Amnesiac" went on sale in the United States. There was mild Radiohead mania all over New York. The core audience was represented by Helen Weng, an eighteen-year-old from Long Island, who waited at the Virgin Megastore with her friend Melissa Torres to buy "Amnesiac" at a midnight sale. In her bag, she carried a letter from Thom Yorke, written in his own hand, with advice on how to make yourself happy. "It's good to know someone else has had the same feelings," she said, clutching the paper. Over at Fez, Justin Bond, the cross-dressing star of the scathingly brilliant cabaret duo Kiki & Herb, sang "Life in a Glasshouse," from "Amnesiac," even though the record was not yet in the stores. He attributed it to "Rodeohead, a very exciting young English rock ensemble," and rendered it as a demented torch song, which it already mostly was.

Radiohead's appeal to a cross-section of the American public defies the untranslatability of English pop. Steve Martin, a publicist for the band, explained it this way: "Americans don't go for 'cheeky.' We like earnest." Radiohead may be cagey, but they are never cheeky, and they are massively earnest. They have worked hard in America, logging time in the middle of the country as well as on the coasts. They are noted in the music business for being polite and unproblematic. A French hotel reservation of theirs extravagantly requested, "Extra towels." One hotel doorman described them as "nice, sharp-witted, entertaining young men. Not trash-headed and stupored, as you might expect." Despite the fatigue of their last big tours, in 1997 and 1998, they were game for America this summer.

"Sure, the last tour was bloody awful," Ed O'Brien said, "but that was where we were at mentally, not a reaction to America. This place is just too huge to generalize about. When I was in college, I took six months off to ride around in Greyhound buses, and I got a sense of it." He was excited about playing at Red Rocks Amphitheatre, in the foothills of the Rockies. "Basically, we've had a fantasy scenario of reënacting U2 live at Red Rocks," he said. "We watched the video a million times when we were kids and know every frame. 'This song is not a rebel song!' " He lifted his fist and let out a soft roar. Fans who worry that Radiohead are losing touch with rock and roll can always look to this man, who enjoys the role of the guitar hero, even if he also sometimes kneels down in front of his samplers and molds the music into a smear of color.

Radiohead checked into a Denver hotel on June 19th. Fans descended on Red Rocks the following morning, squatting on a half-mile flight of steps that leads to the arena. Down at the bottom was a group of college students, from Pepperdine and the University of Colorado at Boulder. Their names were Elke Goldstein, Amber Hollingsworth, Matt Duffy, and Kendall Lux. "Radiohead is music for miserable people who were dropped on the floor when they were little," Amber explained. "I don't know about that," Elke said. "I mean, that's the reputation, but are we miserable?" Munching on carrots, they did not look miserable.

Matt delivered a critique of the band, speaking rapidly, as if from memory. "Thom is suffering from Bono syndrome," he said. "Getting political. What's he doing hanging out with Bono? What's Bono doing hanging out with presidents and the Pope? He's a rock singer, damn it! Here's the difference between U2 and Radiohead: U2 says, 'The world sucks, and we have to change it,' whereas Radiohead says, 'The world sucks and not much can be done about it. The world is lame, ridiculous.' " Elke rolled her eyes. "May-be," she said. Matt barrelled on: "Their records are put out by EMI, a multinational conglomerate, so it's hard to see how they can attack capitalism from that position. 'Kid A' and 'Amnesiac'? Ambient blueprints for music we haven't quite heard yet. Thom listens to Brian Eno, Aphex Twin, the whole Warp Records back catalogue. 'Packt Like Sardines'—what's that, one pattern stuck in a groove? But when they play it we're all going to go, 'Yeah!' No one can really say why they like them. Yet here we are."

In a matter of minutes, Matt had summed up everything that has been written about Radiohead in the past few years. Rock critics, like adolescent fans, have feisty friendships with the bands they admire, lacing hero worship with contempt. It's one thing to hear this from a college student; it's another to read it in cold print, in all its meandering incoherence. If some magazines didn't use rating systems, you would have no idea what the reviewers thought. The magazine Q, for example, gave "Amnesiac" four stars and then called it "numb, petty, desolate." Spin wrote, "They're just trying to get home in one piece, life is but a dream. Fa fa fa. Blip blip." Rating: 7 out of 10. Some of the criticism has been peculiarly personal, especially in England. Melody Maker once said that Yorke was "marked for destruction" and suggested that he might end up killing himself, like Kurt Cobain. As a result, the singer has developed an aversion to English rock writers, and they, in turn, have goaded him at every turn. Ill feelings all around have led to unrecognizable profiles in which the band seems to be composed of curmudgeons.

At Red Rocks, Radiohead agreed to sit down for a rare collective interview with a journalist. A brave young MTV correspondent named Gideon Yago showed up to interrogate them. A Queens native who started working at MTV at the age of twenty-one, Yago has loved Radiohead since his teens. He had a sheaf of notes on his clipboard, including a chart of the band members' personalities. O'Brien and Selway struck him as "the sensible ones"; the Greenwood brothers he pegged as "will eat you alive." He wasn't sure what to make of Yorke. His impressions were based largely on a Radiohead tour documentary, "Meeting People Is Easy," which came out in 1998. This unpleasant film was a kind of counterstrike against the music press, recording scores of pointless interviews with dead-tired members of the band. During one of them, Colin seemed ready to lapse into a coma. "I don't want to be just another dolt with a microphone," Yago said. "Like the guy in the movie who asks Thom if he got to talk to Calvin Klein."

Yago knew a lot about music and a lot about Radiohead, but when the cameras rolled he elected to keep much of his knowledge hidden. "Remember," his producer, Liane Su, told him, "you're not an expert, you're just a fan." The fans wanted to know whether the band thought it was experimenting too much, why "Kid A" and "Amnesiac" hadn't been released as a double album, what all the songs on "Amnesiac" meant. Radiohead did snap at Yago once or twice, as when he characterized "Amnesiac" as "a collection of outtakes from the 'Kid A' sessions," and Selway shot back, "Try again!" But the mood was relaxed, for the most part. Yago got them all to laugh when he introduced a question from a so-called "Stanley from Coney Island," which read, "How do you guys feel about the fact that bands like Travis, Coldplay, and Muse are making a career sounding exactly like your records did in 1997?" Yorke cupped his hand around his mouth and called out, "Good luck with 'Kid A'!" When the interview was over, Yago looked shell-shocked but relieved. "That was relatively painless," the journalist said, gulping down a Molson.

Last month, Radiohead returned home to play in South Park, a broad meadow outside the center of Oxford. It was a drizzly day, and the towers of the university were gray lumps in the distance. The event was a kind of mini-festival, mostly given over to performances by bands that Radiohead admired. Like other summer festivals, it had kebab stands, beer huts, and T-shirt booths. Forty-four thousand fans, mostly in their teens and twenties, sat on the lawn. After a few hours, the grass was carpeted with plastic-foam cups, each one displaying the "Amnesiac" logo. To an outsider, it might have seemed like just another messy rock show.

It wasn't. At about four o' clock, Humphrey Lyttelton, the eighty-year-old jazz trumpeter, appeared onstage. After a few words of introduction, he and his band launched into a deft set of Armstrong and Ellington numbers. A guy in a "Blur: Are Shite" T-shirt shouted, "You're great!" Next up was Sigur Rós, a group of Icelandic musicians, who play a kind of mystic-minimalist rock that builds to climaxes over five- and ten-minute spans. In the half-mile-long line of people who were shuffling toward the "Alcoholic Fresh Juices" stand, every other face was lost in wonder at the gentle power of the chords. South Park had been overtaken by the Radiohead ethic—a love of far-flung sounds, a knack for sinuous juxtapositions, a faith in the audience's ability to take it all in.

Something about Radiohead inspires a disorienting kind of hope. Unlike so many professional cynics in the business, these musicians believe that their art can go still higher. They have promoted dozens of lesser-known, musically inventive acts, including Autechre, the Beta Band, Clinic, Kid Koala, Lali Puna, Low, Sparklehorse, and, of course, Christoph de Babalon. They have also boosted favorite authors, helping to sell thousands of copies of Naomi Klein's anti-globalization screed "No Logo." The artists who appear on this roster have little or nothing in common, and that is what they have in common: they are a funky clamor of voices, not a line of products. Such guerrilla marketing is, in the end, a form of politics—a protest against the growing sameness of the cultural landscape. The sheer cussedness of the enterprise is amazing to behold. The loudest protest comes in Radiohead's own songs, which, next to the white noise of prefab pop, sound like the music of a hidden world, hymns from a sunken cathedral.

"Lots of really talented artists are being thrown by the wayside," Yorke had said during the American tour. "They are not being given the time of day, because they're not doing things that fit the moment. Madmen with machetes are chopping away at the wood—any wood, deadwood, doesn't matter. You want to slap people and say, 'Why don't you go back and look at all the beautiful things that have been made in the music business and realize that you have to have faith in people?' In the long run, the industry wants to make money, but if a company wants to make money then it has to take a risk. These people don't take risks. They make quick money and then that's it. And the world isn't a nicer place for it. What really makes me fucking spit blood is when people in the industry start complaining about how there's no talent around. I know it's there and you know it's there. But you are too shit scared to do anything about it."

Radiohead came onto the South Park stage at eight-thirty. It was not the most flawless show of the past few weeks, but it may have been the most intense. Yorke's voice glowed with emotion. If Terence Gilmore-James had been there, he would have been happy; you could hear how Radiohead's storm of sound was centered on a singing line. During "How to Disappear Completely," a drenching rain began to fall. The crowd, religiously attentive, stayed in place. Yorke appeared alone for the last number, and hit a few plangent chords. His instrument went dead. "Es ist kaputt, ja?" he said. "I have another idea." The others came back onstage, and together they launched into the familiar strains of "Creep," which had gone unplayed since 1998. G major wheeled majestically into B. Jonny made his Beavis-and-Butt-head noise. Yorke sang, "What the hell am I doing here?"

Afterward, in the dressing room, Yorke looked happy. "Don't know if you could tell," he said to Colin's wife, Molly, "but I was in tears for the last part of it." Then the perfectionist in him reawakened. "Horrible diesel smell coming from somewhere," he said.

The next day, Colin invited some friends over for brunch. He and Molly live in a semidetached house on an Oxford side street. This was the beginning of a three-week holiday for the band, and Colin faced the prospect of having nothing to do. "We might go to a movie," he said, as if he were going to the moon. He picked through some LPs and CDs, putting on Brad Mehldau. When someone asked him if he had got a sense of the crowd at South Park—it may have been the largest public gathering in the thousand-year history of Oxford—he rubbed his eyes and smiled. " 'Fraid not," he replied. "I was too busy looking at Phil's calves. That's where the beats are.

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How to Be Like Colin Greenwood

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Spin Magazine, 5.98

THE SPIN TOP 40 VITAL ARTISTS IN ROCK
#2 - RADIOHEAD

Radiohead bassist Colin Greenwood, international man of mystery


Spin: Mr. Bloke? Do you always take calls at hotels under an alias?

Colin Greenwood: It's even more necessary when we're in Japan-fans are always calling up.

Right now, to a lot of people, Radiohead seem the sovereign artistic operation in rock'n'roll. What, if anything, connects "Creep," The Bends, and OK Computer?

When we rehearse, we're always trying to aim for something else. But we never quite succeed in getting there. For example, we used to call "Creep" the "Scott Walker song." Of course, it doesn't sound at all like him. We wanted it to-we're enormous fans-but it fell short.

But many of your fans have this romantic notion of your music as being somehow sourceless-especially OK Computer.

Completely the opposite. To us, it's rooted in obvious things-what we've listened to, that is. At the same time, the ways in which our music is rehearsed and played and recorded are, if not sourceless, placeless. We are kind of one step removed, not really in the center of things. Well, Oxford is in the center of England, but it's not really a rock'n'roll town, and we don't record in a rock'n'roll place. We rehearse at an old fruit farm-an apple shed, really. I suppose that's where the Pink Floyd comparisons come in. They were from Cambridge. It's that whole middle-class thing.

Class, that little-discussed rock'nroll issue.

There's no point apologizing about where you come from. The thing about rock is that people are not just interested in bands because of where they want to go. It's where they want to escape from that matters. Sometimes the actual places they're escaping from don't really exist.

When you're onstage, audiences often get blown away by that famed Radiohead presence. Maybe that's why rock stars drop your name as often as Prada's these days.

[German film director] Wim Wenders came to a show in Cologne last year with his son, who is a Radiohead fan. Wenders had listened to OK Computer because he was going to the concert. He liked it, but he didn't think there was a way it could be replicated live. He was amazed that it was.

Your studiocraft does tend toward the ambitious.

We always talk about doing simple pop records, then end up doing some silly long things-no, I didn't say that.

Well, ambitiousness hasn't stranded you.

I was having drinks yesterday in Sydney at the top of the ANA Hotel, on the 36th floor, looking down on this neon cityscape of bridges and rivers. In ten days, I'll be in Tokyo.

So do Radiohead enjoy being rock stars?

Enjoy? You can never say that. It'd be a guilty pleasure, like saying one would enjoy 18 chocolates.

1997 ranking: -

James Hunter

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How to Be Like Colin Greenwood

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MTV Australia, 04.02.98

Radiohead
MTV grilled Radiohead's bassplayer, Colin Greenwood about all things musical.



MTV: Your last tour was a while after 'Creep' and a while before The Bends, it must be better for you to be here this time?

Colin: Yeah, I mean the record was only released in Europe and America on June 16th, so about 8 months ago. It's not such a bad cycle. We've been very busy since we released the album. I'm glad to come down here and play, to play in this part of the world and also Auckland and Wellington, for the first time.

MTV: I hear you love New Zealand?

Colin: Yes. My brother in-law is from Christchurch. After we finished OK Computer, we finished mixing it in March and I actually escaped from England for about 3 weeks and spent time on this lovely little island. It was wonderful. But you know, the quality of life here seems wonderful as well. As you get older one appreciates more and more what somewhere like Australia and New Zealand has to offer.

MTV: If you don't live here...

Colin: Yeah, it's easy for me to say that. But then I also say that from the standpoint of being an army brat - hence the vaguely military clothes - and really not feeling rooted to anywhere in particular in England, and not particularly loving or hating where I come from.

MTV: So you've been touring flat out since June?

Colin: We've been touring on and off since 1992.

MTV: So has it taken it's toll?

Colin: I think it's starting to lose a bit of its freshness, and I think we need to take some time away from it and get hungry for it again, and try and come up with something new and different. I think with this record in particular the music is quite intense, and the way that we approached launching this record is very intense. We played to basically nearly 90,000 people in the space of a week. We played to nearly 40,000 in Dublin at our own show, and then a week later we played Glastonbury to around the same number. It was a very stressful and high risk way of introducing new songs and performance to the public.

MTV: So Glastonbury was a huge gig for you career wise?

Colin: In some ways I'd say Dublin the week before was a huge gig for us, because that was 38,500 people who'd bought tickets just to see us basically. Although Massive Attack and Teenage Fanclub, both wonderful, were also on the bill. Glastonbury is one of those kids-own dreams things you know, to close Glastonbury on the Saturday night. Unfortunately it's not something we'll have particularly fond memories of in some ways, because we had lots of technical problems; the monitors broke, the lighting computer broke, and it was quite stressful.

MTV: Was Dublin and Glastonbury the first time you played new tracks from the album?

Colin: No, we'd launched the album about a month before in Lisbon, and played a couple of shows to warm up before Barcelona, which I thought was wonderful. It was the same kind of weather as the finest Australian weather. So all the journalists and press were predisposed already, and Barcelona is a wonderful cosmopolitan city. We did like seven weeks touring around Europe and built up a good following in Spain and France. I think it's very exciting to be in Europe at the moment, to be European. It was an experience that we adored.

MTV: Were you surprised by the enormous success of OK Computer?

Colin: Well for a record with no singles on it, it's apparently gone on to sell over 3 million copies. It's going back up the charts in America at the moment...

MTV: You've got two Grammy nominations?

Colin: Mr. Dylan will get one of them, and for the other we're way down the bottom of the heap. I don't think any of us are going to the Grammys.

MTV: How do you feel about comments like 'OK Computer is the best album of all time' or that it's 'the past, present and future of rock'?

Colin: It's kind of flattering, but they're made in the context of 1997, not within the last 50 years of recorded music. I think 'Revolver' will be already as one of the greatest records ever, still.

MTV: Do you think time will be kind to you?

Colin: Well you hope, but you don't know. Time was very kind to The Bends. It wasn't overlooked, but wasn't anticipated, because everyone thought we'd shot our bolt with 'Creep', and there was nothing more to be heard from Radiohead, so The Bends crept up on people, took them surprise - given the benefit of the doubt and a few listens it became a very popular record for a lot of people.

MTV: Was it hard to follow up from The Bends, because it proved to everyone that you could do it?

Colin: Well this is the thing, was it hard to follow up from the success of 'Creep' and the idea that Radiohead don't have another song, and then we did The Bends, and it was like 'How can they follow an album like that?' - but I'd much rather be in a situation like that than the situation we were in with 'Creep' and Pablo Honey, our first album. I think Thom felt the pressure quite keenly when we were recording OK Computer, and he felt sometimes paralysed creatively because he was aware of the expectation of the album after The Bends. But you just can't work like that. You have to find a way of ignoring it.

MTV: How does the songwriting process work with Radiohead?

Colin: It varies a lot. A lot of the songs, the melodies and vocal are obviously written by Thom, and then the arrangements and music, we just play a lot of it live in the room looking at each other, in an old apple farm near Oxford. And it's very important. My brother Jonathan writes a lot of the music as well. There's a song called 'The Tourist' at the end of OK Computer that we recorded the music and Thom doesn't actually play on it, he just came in and sang the vocal on top.

MTV: Thom's lyrics mean a lot to a lot of people...

Colin: He's constantly working on his lyrics. Sometimes what we do when we're working on a song is ask for lyric sheets, get a bit of gaffer tape and slap it to the wall and I look at the words and he'll play around with the sounds of the words. Sometimes the meaning comes later. Sometimes it's not good to be overly didactic and write something explicit because it can be two dimensional and flat, and we've definitely done that before. I think Michael Stipe's very good, his ability to suggest and imply rather than state you know? It's a fine line, you want to hold their interest...

MTV: Is that why the band is working on Velvet Goldmine with Michael Stipe?

Colin: Yeah that was Thom and Johnny. They were doing some covers of Roxy Music songs - that was over a year ago actually. It's incredible how slow moving film productions are.

MTV: What's the story with Massive Attack remixing OK Computer?

Colin: Massive Attack. Well they're really nice people and we really like where they come from, which is Bristol, not like London. It's West Country, left of centre, like being from Oxford. And the same goes for Portishead. Massive Attack got really excited, and they really want to remix the record, and they really wanted to do it over a short period of time. They wanted to go into a studio and just do it over a week or whatever. But we kind of said no, because we were really busy and we wanted to hang out with them. We're such huge Massive Attack fans, and they're really slow workers, so we really wanted them to finish their album first. They're on tour in March and their record should be coming out early springtime, so we really can't wait.

MTV: It will be really interesting to see what they do.

Colin: It will be. I find it really interesting that a whole lot of dance people and people who programme music are fans of our music, considering that we don't have a clue. We bought this technology for OK Computer and went in on a wing and a prayer. We bluffed our way through it.

MTV: But you still keep it quite organic...

Colin: Exactly. The first track on the album, Thom and Phil sat down and Phil did loads of drumming, recorded the drumming, stuck it on a Apple Mac and looped it all together... the musical arrangement of that track is basically the rhythm track. And then everybody just overdubbed, which is quite rare for us because usually we play it all live.

MTV: I hear you record all your live performances - where is all that going?

Colin: We were. We've slowed down on that for the moment though. After this tour of Australia we go back to England and on the 26th April we fly out to Houston and we do an American tour for four weeks, culminating with a number of shows with Bjork in New York. We've also invited Spiritualized to join us on these US shows. After that we take 4 or 5 months off, we won't really start work until September. So because of that we're keeping a lot of our songs as fresh as possible by not thrashing them to death live at the moment.

MTV: Can we expect a live album?

Colin: No, but what I would be nice, what I'd like to do after the next album is a B sides and remix compilation which I think would open a lot of people's eyes to some incredible music which has quite possibly escaped them. You know, were it not for people like Nellee Hooper and Baz Lurhmann people would not know a song like 'Talk Show Host', which is a very dramatic, powerful piece of music.

MTV: How did that come about, did Baz approach you?

Colin: I think it was Nellee Hooper. You have to be very careful with film soundtracks, they asked us to contribute to some later ones, but we didn't accept, because we didn't have the time or the energy to make it work. We'd be wasting our time. But it's probably been one of the best things we've been involved with, working with Baz. But you do have to be very careful about it, you learn as you go along. Because you can be offered silly money to slap a song onto a cheesy film now, after the success of the 'Romeo and Juliet' soundtrack. That soundtrack was so massive. A lot of film companies see it as a way of tying their music company offshoots, and making some money on the album sales and it really sucks.

MTV: The clip for 'No Surprises', do you like it?

Colin: I do. I find it very disturbing, and I find it very gripping. It's very powerful.

MTV: Your songs are all very similar, but also quite different.

Colin: They're all kind of similar in tempo, they're all mid-tempo but a lot of that is that when we worked out our songs we play them mid-tempo, or very slowly because we're not sure of what we're doing basically.

MTV: How did you work out the songs, was it quite difficult to work out how to get them across live?

Colin: A very important time for us was when we were on tour with Alanis Morissette in the autumn of 1996, in America. She invited us out, wanted us to do the whole tour, but we said we'd only do two and a half weeks... we weren't really into what she was doing musically, but as people they were wonderful.

MTV: Hasn't she just covered a song of yours?

Colin: Yeah she used to play 'Fake Plastic Trees'. Her old drummer Taylor, who now plays drums in the Foo Fighters - who are coming through Australia next week I think - he's a friend of ours. It was cool you know, because she had some good musicians in her band. They loved Supergrass as well. You used to hear Alanis Morissette's band doing covers of 'Lenny' from the first Supergrass album.

MTV: What music coming out of the UK do you really admire?

Colin: At the moment, the Propellerheads. I dunno, dance music is kind of funny. You have to see if it stays with you. Um, what are we into at the moment? Oh God, what a nightmare question! I like the Dirty Three album, I thought they were from America. Because last year I bought a Scud Mountain Boys album and a Dirty Three album, because someone recommended them to me, so I went to a mall and bought it. So that's cool. And I want to get Let Love In again, because that's such a great record, a very great record.

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Channel V, 2-98

Radiohead were in Australia in February 1998, and played to adoring crowds all over the country. In this interview, Jabba and bassist Colin Greenwood get cosy in a lounge chair and discuss everything from video clips and remixes to the pressures of success...

Jabba: Hello there. Jabbatron here, in this luxurious hotel foyer with Mr Colin Greenwood from the band, Radiohead. He plays bass, his brother's in the band too... How are you?

Colin: Fine - I just had a nice lunch down opposite the Stock Exchange in the centre of Sydney - it was lovely.

Jabba: How long have you been in Australia for?

Colin: Only about four days; we flew in from Wellington and we landed in Melbourne. We did two shows in Melbourne - the Exhibition Centre I think it is - where the Beatles played in the 60s. It was great - hasn't changed since ...

Jabba: Did you come across stage-diving, moshing at the gig?

Colin: No, in fact, cos we don't like that very much, and we make sure the audience knows that as well. It's not much fun doing a gig and seeing the kids getting hurt at the front. Kind of puts you off your stride.

Jabba: You have been out here before ...

Colin: Yes, in the spring of 1994 - we were in the middle of recording our last album, The Bends.

Jabba: Last time you came out "Creep" would have been really huge

Colin: Last time we came out "Creep" had already been huge up to eight months before and nobody came to see us apart from Sydney which has always been the happening centre of Australia obviously. We played in front of 50 people in Adelaide and 60 people in Brisbane, a few more people in Melbourne actually... but it was a bit of a disastrous tour really.

Jabba: Do you think you were battling the one hit wonder stigma?

Colin: Yes exactly. We arrived too late to get any vibe off the hit single and too soon before the new album had come out... so it's fair enough, we weren't surprised.

Jabba: Your latest album OK Computer has received rave reviews pretty much everywhere in the world, was there anywhere where it didn't?

Colin: Well, no I don't know... the fact that it has been well reviewed has absolutely nothing to do with us so it's very flattering. Certain factions in the NME cite it as an attempt to revive the excesses of the progressive rock of the 70s without bothering to listen to anything that we were listening to at the time, when we were doing OK Computer... from Miles Davis to Shadow to Massive Attack to Bjork to Sparklehorse to... all the contemporary music stuff that we all love and worship and attempt to reflect in what we do, so you know. It's just boring anyway, I don't want to talk about them.

Jabba: Thom appears in the videos, and you guys do the interviews - does the media try and separate the front man and put him on the pedestal and leave the band?

Colin: No all those things that happen are all decisions made by the five of us, so to be honest with you I'm very grateful that we haven't been in the videos for the past three because they are awful things and all of us would rather not have to do them, they are a no-bonus job which cost a fortune and put you into thrall with the record company and they are just one more tool for them to be able to control and manipulate you. So we are in a fortunate position where we have sold enough records to recoup against our video costs but what sort of sense is it to spend an album budget... you can make a well-recorded album for the price of filming one video. So it's crazy... as soon as whatever happens in the next 10 years happens, then hopefully all video channels will all be fucked then, that would be good.

Jabba: We'll all be making chips!

Colin: Obviously there is diversification, there's other things to do with the medium, you don't just have to use the same format. Hopefully it will change.

So yeah, there was an animation with "Paranoid Android" and then Thom was in "Karma Police" and "No Surprises" and I am very grateful for that cos there is nothing more boring than hanging around on a set waiting to do a video between the hours of 6 in the evening... or even 9 in the evening till 7 in the morning for two days, costing a couple of hundred thousand dollars ...

Jabba: I read there was a plan where you were going to do a film clip for every song?

Colin: Yeah, that was the plan originally, but the budget just got crazy, so what we've decided to do instead is pursue this documentary thing, with this friend of ours, colleague of ours, Grant, who's been basically following us on tour and photographing. And we've been doing sound recordings of the records since the launch of the album in May in Barcelona last year, all the way through to now. He's actually here with us in Australia.

Jabba:Is he filming any of the shows?

Colin: Yeah, he's filmed lots of live footage. I think he's going to stop doing that now, he's just trying to get his head round what we do. I think he's done more interviews and stuff than anything else.

Jabba: You mentioned the cost of making a clip, the "Paranoid Android" clip which was done by Magnus Carlsson, wouldn't that save money?

Colin: Animation is very expensive - well his type of animation is very expensive, well that's what he told us - because it's all line drawing and stuff. It's not like computer animation, it's not like programming various cells. They are very expensive things. The cheapest video we've ever done was for "Creep" and that was twelve and a half thousand pounds and it was our first video and it was filmed in our village hall, well community center, round the corner from where we all lived in Oxford and sadly the prices have since escalated... and in some ways it's our most successful video I suppose.

Jabba: As the band gets bigger do you have more people coming to you saying, wow we can do a million dollar clip for you now?

Colin: No the thing is, as our career continues, we get more and more hacked off with doing them so we actually have to set limits on the cost of them... but if you meet a good talented director who has great ideas... we are very lucky, we have worked with some brilliant people like Jonathan Glaser and Magnus Carlsson and Grant's done the video for "No Surprises", the guy that's doing the documentary. What we learnt is that you have to trust the artistic judgement of the people you are paying the money to get involved. There's nothing worse than a group of people who all think they know how something should look.

Jabba: What's it like having your brother in the band?

Colin: It's wonderful, it's good, it makes my promise to keep an eye on him for my mother a lot easier, having him right next to me all the time. But he's very easy to look after anyway, cos he's very well behaved.

Jabba: Has there ever been conflict?

Colin: I was really naughty to him as a kid - he was colour blind, and I'd mix up his colouring crayons and he had to go and see the educational psychologist after he'd done too many grassy lawns the colour of blood. I once told him to sniff into a pepper pot - which is a really nasty thing to do. It has plagued me - sleepless nights racked by guilt.

Jabba: We were talking before about the critical success of the record. Does that put more a creative pressure on the band instead of commercial?

Colin: Yes definitely. What happened with the first album was that it was critically successful about a year after it was released which was nice for us but it meant that we were aware that we had to follow up with an album whereas previously we just had to follow up a song - "Creep". We just removed ourselves from the public and people and went to this old haunted country house owned by Jane Seymour in Bath and recorded there... we didn't see anyone and... (burps) excuse me, sorry I've just had a Lime Spider. When I was a kid they were one of my favourite bands and I just finally found out what it is, it's a fruit float, soda drink with an icecream dollop on the top... fantastic.

Jabba: Were you into any other Australian bands?

Colin: Oh yeah, the Triffids, and obviously Mr Cave... there was this seminal compilation called Beyond The Southern Cross that came out... antipodean to us, to be honest, is all grouped together in England - Australia and NZ... there was this period - '85, '86 - John Peel this radio DJ used to play a lot of Antipodean music, it was really good.

Jabba: Do you have any idea of what kind of sound you want to take Radiohead to, maybe the drum & bass path?

Colin: Well Tricky has asked us to do some work with him in New York; I don't think we'll be able to do anything with that, but it is very flattering for him to invite us. And Massive Attack want to remix a record.. Eddie and I concocted this ridiculous idea when we were wasted one night in Auckland last fortnight. We had gone to see where Crowded House had recorded their Together Alone and we thought it would be really cool to go somewhere like that with Massive Attack and spend a couple of weeks just cutting some stuff, that would be really good.

Jabba: Bjork just recorded some of her second but last album on a beach in the Bahamas... if you can do it on the beach... why not?

Colin: We're all such pale, white, skinny English boys, we would end up with melanomas, it would be disastrous. But there is lots of things we are planning to do - when Massive Attack finally finish and release the album in March we might ask them to do some remixes and stuff... But with the remixes, Thom has done a collaboration with DJ Shadow and Mo'Wax - that's really cool. That is going to come out some time in the future. Remixes are like videos and you have to approach them with a certain amount of disdain, because quite often people are there to rip you off. But we are lucky again because we are in a position where a lot of dance people like our music so we are in a position where we can ask people to do remixes and we only pay for it if we use it which is brilliant because people want to do it.

Jabba: What about film soundtracks?

Colin: Well I suppose the most successful thing we have done is the collaboration with Nellie Hooper who is the musical director for Romeo & Juliet with Baz Luhrman. The story behind that is that we were on tour in America - about two years ago now - and we got thhis call through that this Australian director was doing this Romeo & Juliet and Nellie Hooper wanted to get us involved in it. Because we are big fans of the production work that he has done with Massive Attack and Bjork and stuff, so they sent us the last half hour of the movie... and it was fantastic, it was the scene where Di Caprio goes to the church and find Clare Danes at the funeral byre and we thought it was wonderful. Thom wrote this song for exit music for the end of the film that no-one has really heard because we didn't want to put it on the soundtrack because we wanted it for our album so it is always heralded by the closing of seats in the cinemas because it is right at the end of the movie. And Nellie did a good job... a version of 'Talk Show Host' and added a few things which will go on the B-side. That was really cool but our whole approach to working with music for films is to do it as sympathetically as possible because when we started off with our career we just sort of signed off on a couple of things stupidly . There was this awful film called So Fucking What with Steven Dorf that has "Creep" on it - we were young, foolish, naïve... we were drunk at the time... it wasn't very good, but we are well up for looking at soundtracks and stuff.

Jabba: Have you ever been approached by a large commercial institute?

Colin: Yes we have been approached by a big brewing company to use one of our songs for an obscene amount of money worldwide and it's a tipple we all enjoy as well... but we didn't do it, but at the same time I respect other people's bands for doing it because ultimately it's their property to do what they want with their music. We are the last people to get on a pedestal and say that some people are compromising their art, so it's just bullshit.

Jabba: The portrayal of Radiohead is a serious group of guys - do you think there is a humour in your music that people miss?

Colin: Humour... yes. All the baudy quips and punchlines that people just fail to pick up on... no. I suppose so - it depends what song you talk about, there is some dark humour definitely. The thing about a song like 'Paranoid Android', is that it's just put together and taking the piss, it was just a joke, a laugh, getting wasted together over a couple of evenings and putting some different pieces together. It's a good question though in terms of like, you do something and you are never aware how far it is going to be scrutinised when it's released in the public and it takes a life of its own and becomes this creature that you have no control over. That's if you are successful, of course... if you're not, then it sits in a box in the back of a record store covered in dust, so we are lucky.

Jabba: Radiohead.... Colin, thanks you for talking to us.

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How to Be Like Colin Greenwood

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Q, 1997

They are serious men with serious sales. But, cautious, paranoid and in no way the new Pink Floyd, Radiohead have their troubles, and they have a new album to promote. Still, as singer Thom Yorke tells Tom Doyle, it's not all terrible news: "murderers have stopped writing to say how much they relate to Creep..."

Brightly early most weekday mornings before 9am, when other rock stars still have at least a good six hours of kip ahead of them - or have yet in fact to go to bed following another night of drunken or chemically induced shenanigans - Radiohead's curiously angular guitarist Jonny Greenwood can usually be found in the middle of a field in the quiet Oxfordshire countryside, flying his kite. If the widescreen possibilities of this undeniably evocative scene has a touch of Pink Floyd-like imagery about it, then that perhaps is no coincidence, since the soundtrack on the rake-thin 25-year-old man's personal stereo is Meddle, an album released in 1971, the year he was born.

This evidence alone may not be enough to suggest that Radiohead are slowly mutating into the new Pink Floyd. But then there are other factors which have to be taken into consideration. Not least the fact that singer Thom Yorke warmly recalls recording parts of their self-produced third album, OK Computer, at their recently acquired studio farmhouse while, outside the window, herds of jersey cattle lumbered lazily through sunny fields. In the background, an industrial chimney belched acrid smoke into the sky. "It was the Floyd", he enthuses before - perhaps typically - feigning vomiting in self-disgust at having been forced to draw this seemingly unthinkable parallel himself. Bassist Colin Greenwood has his own thoughts about his brother's kite-flying plot to turn Radiohead into a progressive rock ensemble.

"Jonny made us all watch Pink Floyd Live in Pompeii and said, now this is how we should do videos," he offers, grinning, his already frighteningly voluminous eyes widening in mock disbelief. "I just remember seeing Dave Gilmour sitting on his arse playing guitar and Roger Waters with long greasy hair, sandals and dusty flares, staggers over and picks up this big beater and whacks this gong. Ridiculous."

Nevertheless, there is no getting away from it: Radiohead's keenly awaited third album is a sprawling, hugely experimental affair that cannot be described accurately without using the words "out" and "there". The return single, Paranoid Android, by way of an indication, is a six-and-a-half-minute epic in three movements. Jonny Greenwood admits that during the making of the record, he had found himself becoming involved in a brave, but perhaps futile side pursuit: trying to unearth half-decent prog rock albums.

"It's been very disappointing because most of it is awful," he softly admits in his engagingly posh way. "I've got it into my head that prog rock must be good because it attracted a lot of fans. So far, I've just trawled through fairly tedious Genesis albums."

Aside from all of this, there has also been the suggestions that Radiohead have been gradually morphing into R.E.M. Since the Oxford quintet's extended supporting sojourn on the Monster tour in the summer of 1995. Certainly Thom Yorke's friendship with Michael Stipe - who made the onstage pronouncement that "Radiohead are so good, they scare me" - has been well documented. In fact, Yorke and Jonny Greenwood have just returned to Oxford from London, where they were collaborating with Stipe on tracks for Velvet Goldmine, the glam rock-scrutinising film Stipe is currently producing. Notably, on OK Computer, there is evidence that Yorke's approach to lyric-writing has taken on a distinctly more oblique, Stipe-like bent.

Whatever comparisons are being made, it's clear that Radiohead have gone through something of a transitional period. It seems reasonable to declare that toying with ground-breaking studio techniques and constructing wildly ambitious musical atmospheres now figures heavily in their collective imaginations. Queen for the 90's, anyone?

"I’ve been building up my chest just now so that it looks good in a white vest," warns the small and slight-framed Yorke, with his characteristic level of sarcasm. "Christ, you should've seen the 'tache I had last week."

After coming down from such a high as Radiohead experienced when R.E.M. Took them under their wing and nursed them through the crucial period where they learned how to get their music across to stadium-proportioned crowds (Yorke claims his most deep-rooted nightmare is to become Jim Kerr at his worthiest), the band were given carte blanche to record and self-produce their next album. As a consequence, OK Computer unarguably finds them breaking into new territory, from the looped-up, all-fronts assault of Airbag, through the searingly anthemic Electioneering to the soothingly effective Exit Music (for a Film), ostensibly She's Leaving Home retold with a panicky edge.

Preliminary sessions began - in a stroke of magnificent indulgence, at actress Jane Seymour’s mansion near Bath - in the spring of last year, the very same place where the cure initially developed the commercially disastrous wild mood swings. The previous summer, Johnny Cash had rented the house before an appearance at Glastonbury. The flowing-locked English rose could be reassured that Radiohead were something less of a rock'n'roll proposition. Although they did rearrange the furniture.

"We recorded in her library," Jonny Greenwood explains. "It was wonderful going somewhere that wasn't designed for recording. Recording studios now tend to be quite scientific and clinical. You can't really impose yourself without getting over the fact that there are fag burns in the carpet and gold discs all around. It's good to go and decide that we'll turn this beautifully furnished sitting room into whatever."

While they are a five-strong band of self-confessed "neurotics anonymous", the fact that Radiohead are so keen to guard the rural location of their studio farm headquarters, where the album was completed, is indicative of their growing status as the archetypal art school-grounded English rock band afford the imperial leather- like luxury of creative freedom. This, it would seem, is a direct result of the fact that, throughout their five-year existence - while everyone's heads were turned in the directions of initially Blur, then Suede and now Oasis - Radiohead have quietly grown into a formidably successful act. Their second album, The Bends, has now achieved platinum status in Britain, a trend more or less followed in most record-buying nations.

When, at the beginning of 1996, Parlophone records released street spirit (fade out), the fourth, campaign-closing single from the bends, its hypnotically languid tone rendered it too dark and sombre to be playlisted on Radio One. It still debuted with a one-fingered salute at number 5. On the release of War Child's Help album the previous September, Radiohead’s magnificently moody contribution, Lucky (oddly included on OK Computer), proved the stand-out - although the band had been forced to complete the track in an intensive five-hour period to meet the required deadline, after a day spent posing for a War Child camera crew dispatched to film them pretending to record.

"They were waiting for us to record the song, and we were waiting for them to go," smiles the unnaturally lofty Ed O'Brien, credited on the group's record sleeves for supplying "polite guitar", as opposed to Jonny Greenwood's "abusive guitar". Of the video footage depicting casualties of the Bosnian conflict that was subsequently set to the track, Yorke - never one to understate his emotional reactions - simply says, "it had me in tears".

Today the five members of Radiohead, fresh from tramping through fields of rape for their Q photo session, mill around the management offices close to their recording studio, seemingly a relaxed and quietly polite bunch who enjoy a laugh of the wry and knowing variety. O'Brien, lightly stoned this afternoon, since this is effectively a day off for the band - although pockets of them will frequently disappear into an adjoining recording room to continue work on b-sides - is charming and affable and has earned a reputation as the band member renowned for his on-stage acts of over-exuberance. The band gleefully recall the guitarist once disappearing over the lip of the stage at a theatre gig in North Carolina, tumbling into the orchestra pit and then struggling for ages to clamber back out.

Groomed drummer and, impressively, ex-Samaritan Phil Selway proves suitably genial for someone who has had a Japanese fan club - Phil Is Great - set up in his honour. Another of the Phil Is Great club's occasional meetings is planned for the following week, when Radiohead make a promotional trip to the Pacific Rim.

The Greenwood brothers, who share no distinctive physical resemblance, are polar opposites. Jonny rarely touches alcohol; Colin can regularly be located in a pub after frenzied searches five minutes before the band are due on stage. Jonny is silent unless coaxed; Colin is effusive when engaged on the topic of books, records, other bands. Jonny was likely described as "a dreamer" by his teachers, his head seemingly operating at some cloud-high altitude; Colin is sharp and wary and likely the cornerstone of Radiohead. When together, both share an inscrutable look if questioned on virtually any subject. Colin admits to feeling guilty of acting a touch cruelly to his colour-blind younger brother when they were growing up: he would mix up the crayons, which the guitarist claims "retarded me".

"We share the same gene pool," states the elder, directing another meaningful look towards his sibling.

"But I got the shallow end," adds his toothily blessed younger brother, without any detectable hesitation.

Meanwhile, the boyishly proportioned Thom Yorke pads around barefoot in blue canvas jeans, Radiohead fan club t-shirt and Gaultier shades, his short spiky hair dyed black after extended periods as peroxide blond and retina-damaging orange. Quietly intense, he is a man possessed of a bitingly sharp sense of humour, although an air of brow-beaten cynicism can be detected in his every utterance.

The others simply describe Yorke as "a bit of a worrier", but it would seem that his enduring reputation as a troubled and overly angsty individual is reasonably well-deserved, despite his claims to having recently "learned to relax a little". He talks with his head bowed and eyes closed, covering his face with his hands and peering through his fingers, sometimes curling his limbs up into a tight ball, as if he is under physical attack. The prospect of Radiohead performing this summer to 40,000 people in Ireland as well as headlining a major festival (interestingly, on the same weekend as the strategically unannounced Glastonbury bill) seems to fill him with dread.

"I can't see why we're doing these big gigs," he shrugs. "thing is, whoever it is up there, it's not the person sitting here. It's a completely different state of mind, that you have to spend a long time getting into. I can't switch it on and off. When even the logistics of these big gigs are discussed, I just fucking freeze up. It's not something I'm emotionally capable of dealing with yet. Hopefully I'll get back into a different frame of mind where it won't worry me."

While there is a certain fragile quality to Yorke, the two sides to Radiohead's chief songwriter are exemplified in those moments when his distinctive singing voice swoops down from a choirboy falsetto to a low, anguished snarl. Similarly, in conversation he can suddenly cop an attitude, turning shirty and argumentative. O’Brien remembers his first impression of the young Yorke when the two were involved in a play - the former acting, the latter providing musical accompaniment - at the Oxford school where Radiohead first met as teenagers.

"There was this tense dress rehearsal," O’Brien remembers, "and Thom and this other fella were jamming freeform cod jazz throughout it. The director stopped the play and shouted up to this scaffold tower thing they were playing on, trying to find out what the hell was going on. Thom started shouting down, I don't know what the fuck we're supposed to be playing. And this was to a teacher."

Born with one eye closed on October 7, 1968, the infant Thom Yorke had already endured five major operations on his paralysed eyelid by the time he was six. Made to wear an eye-patch during his early school years, he was cruelly mocked by his schoolmates. He half-bitterly brushes off suggestions that this may have caused him to have a slight chip on his shoulder.

"Oh no," he states sharply. "I was sweet and lovely and nothing ever happened to me. (Cagily) when I was younger, I was in the music room most of the time, anyway. It was great. No-one came down and there were these tiny rooms with sound-proofed cubicles. I suppose I’m quite an aggressive person. I was a fighter at school, but I never won. I was into the idea of fighting (laughs hysterically). I've had to calm down a bit, otherwise I’d go nuts."

Yorke recalls the moment in his younger life when he realised that he was perhaps not quite as handy with his fists as he'd imagined.

"In first year at college, I went through this phase where I was into this granddad hat and coat I had," he quietly explains. "They were immaculate and I was into dressing like an old man. But I went out one night and there was these three blokes, townie guys, waiting to beat someone up and they found me. They said something, I turned around, blew them a kiss and that was it. They beat the living shit out of me. One was kicking me, one had a stick and the other was smashing me in the face. That put me off fighting a bit."

Back in mid-'80s Oxford, where Radiohead first bonded and began rehearsing, essentially as the school band, they called themselves On A Friday. Selway was in the sixth form, O’Brien in the fifth year, Yorke and Colin Greenwood in the fourth and Jonny Greenwood - the last to join - in the third.

"We’re still in our same classes and years really," the elder Greenwood grimly decides. "The thing about having been together for such a long period is that there are some heinously embarrassing group shots from ten years ago when were in adolescence with varying styles of haircut and demeanour which would now be openly laughed at in the street."

During this era, of course, the quiff was king ("you'd literally take a photograph of Morrissey to the barber and say, I want it like that") and if On A Friday resembled The Smiths visually, they had yet to find a foothold musically. The four others remember tapes of Thom Yorke's early compositions as being "schizophrenic".

"One track, Rattlesnake, just had a drum loop that Thom did himself at home on a tape recorder with bad scratching over the top and kind of Prince vocals," Jonny Greenwood remembers. "The Chains had viola and was meant to sound like The Waterboys. What is that you see was a feedback frenzy. After hearing it, I knew Thom was writing great songs and I knew what I wanted to do."

Nevertheless, the younger Greenwood's ambitions were thwarted by the group's reluctance to let him join. Described by them as "a precocious talent" who would whip through an assortment of instruments in an attempt to impress his potential band mates, On A Friday's first gig at Oxford Jericho Tavern in 1987 featured (according to Selway) Jonny sitting on stage "with a harmonica, waiting for his big moment".

As imageless as a police identity parade, and embodying such extremes of stature and build that Ed O’Brien probably towers a whole foot above Thom Yorke, Radiohead initially found it difficult to attract attention during the lifespan of their debut album, 1993's Pablo Honey, when other, more fashion-conscious outfits were hogging the limelight.

On its initial release in the UK, the second, self-hating single, the possibly classic Creep, stiffed. As with The Fixx before them and bush afterwards, Radiohead suffered the indignity of being rejected by their motherland and embraced by America when Creep became a slacker anthem after an extended period of over-exposure on college radio. By the time Radiohead arrived in America for their first tour, Creep was already in the Billboard Top 40, and for the summer of 1993 its mutant guitar crunch and soaring melody spilled out from car radios and apartment windows all over America.

Its follow-up, the bracing Stop Whispering, failed to maintain the momentum and the band found themselves performing to capacity audiences interested in hearing one song. For a time, Yorke re-christened the song Crap.

"At that time the whole so-called alternative rock thing had happened there," remembers Yorke, "populated by sap programmers from the 80's who didn't have a clue what they were putting on and Creep suffered from that. It was a good song, but afterwards it was, well, let's have more that please because the programmers understand it, and it's like, no, sorry."

"We didn't know what was normal in America," Jonny Greenwood muses. "We went over there and we'd turn on MTV and Creep would be on again. We though, oh, that's good."

"People were being very nice to us over there because Creep was doing well," adds Selway. "Stop Whispering didn't do quite so well, so that opened us up to the more cynical side of it."

"We were hysterical," decides O’Brien. "One moment we'd be giggling, the next we'd be really down. Our reactions were extreme."

Regretfully, it was around this time that Radiohead, under pressure to visually re-invent themselves, became the tightly trousered, big-haired rock band they felt America had expected of them. Jonny Greenwood and Yorke even accepted modelling assignments for American fashion magazines, the latter sporting a hellish tangle of hair extensions atop his cranium.

"I was rock," winces the frontman with an embarrassed laugh. "There were so many elements to that period, but the hair was the worst. It was such a weird trip anyway, because suddenly we were seen as this big investment and there was money being thrown at us. It didn't last long enough to mess us up, but then I suppose, for a while, it probably did."

The most positive knock-on effect of Creep's US success was that on its re-release in the UK it reached number 7. On the negative side, Radiohead were in danger of looking like a one-trick pony. Immediately they set to work on The Bends, titled after the dramatic side-effects of emerging from the depths too rapidly. Cutting between zooropa-fashioned loop collages (Planet Telex), folk rock (Fake Plastic Trees) and hushed atmospherics (Bulletproof), the record managed to distract the listener for long enough to forget that Creep existed. Of course, America couldn't get its head around it.

"There’s this assumption, especially over here, that Radiohead are big in America", O’Brien offers. "Radiohead are not big in America. We had Fake Plastic Trees as a single and it was played to a radio station. They did a survey of their listeners - 18-to-25-year-old males who drive four-wheel-drive jeeps - and it came bottom of the list. The thing with Radiohead and America is that we had one pop hit there."

"And they don't remember it anyway because they've got the attention span of insects," Yorke mutters, darkly. "Our so-called success in America was that it allowed us to do lots of things, but it also meant that somehow we owed somebody something. But I couldn't work out who and I couldn't work out how much."

Flying in the face of the drug-hoovering, groupie-rogerering rock band image, Radiohead present themselves as Evian-sipping abstainers, content to play a hand of bridge on their tour bus, thanking you very much. Nevertheless, the punishing 18-month touring schedule that followed the bends was not without casualties.

There is an undercurrent of obsessiveness within the group, a matter most evident when they play live. Jonny Greenwood plays his guitar with such teeth-grindingly frantic force that he unknowingly lacerates his fingers. Recently, he has taken to strapping on an arm brace, which could be seen as a unique guitar-hero affectation. However, Greenwood insists he's been ordered to wear it since it was diagnosed that his playing style was causing repetitive strain injury. Similarly, he is keen to point out that the bulky headphones he sported through the latter half of the bends tour are industrial ear shields he was advised to wear after suffering from a dangerously leaky lughole.

"My ear was ringing and bleeding for two weeks on an American tour," he reveals, with strangely calm detachment. "There was this terrifying gig in Cleveland, where I was nearly fainting. I was taken to the hospital at three in the morning and the doctor said the situation was really grim. I'd love to do without both of them, but the arm brace I’m still going to need.

"It's conceited to deny there's any affectation but having said that, I enjoy putting the arm brace on before I play. It's like taping up your fingers before a boxing match. It's a ritual."

The most memorably grim incident of the tour, however, occurred in Munich, when Yorke blacked out and collapsed onstage.

"That had been building up," he mumbles while wriggling uncomfortably in his seat, head in hands. "There's been an incident in America where I’d been really sick as fuck. This cold had got to my throat and whacked me out. It turned into laryngitis. The promoter takes you to the doctor, that's the normal standard thing, and the doctor says, oh no, you're fine to play. You argue with them. They say, no, take these drugs and you'll be fine. Then you realise the promoter is paying the doctor.

"It got bad again in Germany because we were sleeping on a cold damp tour bus in the middle of winter. This doctor turns up - usual thing, paid by the promoter - with this huge bag of drugs. All sorts of shit, man. He offered to inject me with steroids, which I refused. I didn't take anything because I thought I could get through it. We did the soundcheck and I was like, oh shit, this is really bad. My voice was not there at all. By that point, it's too late, you can't cancel. I go on and third song in, I lost it. I remember hitting the floor and then I wasn't there."

He pauses and his face contorts into a perverse smile.

"It was great, actually."

Most things about Thom Yorke’s burgeoning rock star status seem to trouble him deeply. The word he uses most frequently is "doomed". While he claims not to suffer from an acute fear of fame ("it's just that I have no respect for it"), he admits that his growing friendship with Michael Stipe has involved the R.E.M. singer offering guidance on how Yorke should deal with his concerns, although the Radiohead frontman is protective of their relationship.

"If you don't have any semblance of a normal life, then you won't be able to write," he muses, "and if you can't write, then you won't be there. He's helped me to deal with most things I couldn't deal with. The rest is not anyone else's business and that's what's great about it. Anyway. Whatever. It sounds like I’ve been touched by an evangelist or something."

Why still bother to make music then?

"Because I can be very drunk in a club in Oxford on a Monday night and some guy comes up to you and buys you a drink and says that the last record you made changed his life. That means something. It makes you chill about it."

As a result of the anguished nature of your lyrics, are Radiohead fans fairly obsessive individuals as a whole?

"They were. In the letters they can be, yeah. But when you meet people it's a different thing. People put pen to paper for different reasons, some of them quite weird. It was set up like that from the first record because of Creep and all the hyperbole around that, but actually we lost most of that debris when we brought out the bends. Murderers have stopped writing to me to say how much they can relate to Creep, so that's cool. Now it's just people who're into what we're doing and there's a respect on both sides."

So your motivation is purely and simply the music you make and the reaction that you'll get from it?

"(Sarcastically) I know it sounds awful, but yes. (Changes mood) but, y'know, that's probably lies as well..."

You do seem to eat yourself up about everything.

"I’m not eating myself up," he continues, defensively. "It's just that if I read that last statement, I would think, wanker. Because whoever's said it isn't being honest."

There was a certain point at which Nirvana had to pull back because they felt they were getting too big and they couldn't handle it. Can you see yourself doing the same if you get really famous?

"Yeah, I've got the pull-back button ready. You have to have. That hotline back to the president."

How would you do that? Release a few 17-minute singles?

"No... No there's other ways to do it. There's other shadows you can find. You can still be there. That was the thing I’ve had to learn recently. But it still gets to me."

Do you ever fear for the ill-effects of increased success on your mental health?

"Oh, yes," he exclaims, his mood strangely and suddenly lifting. "Thank you, yes."

Later that afternoon, as the light begins to fail, Thom Yorke appears to have returned to a more balanced state and almost rhetorically enquires, "I don't think this has been about moaning, do you?" pulling an "urgh" face when his band mates invite him down to the beer garden of a local pub for some light tea-time refreshment, he wanders off instead in the direction of the studio to continue work on the b-sides for Paranoid Android.

As the others wend their way through the winding country lanes on the way to the hostelry, the talk turns to the fact that their frontman seems to be bearing so much intolerable weight on his shoulders.

"It's weird to see the public representation of Thom," ventures Jonny Greenwood after a time, "because it's quite different. I find Thom to be very affectionate and child-like."

"Yeah," his brother adds, "but we don't draw the curtains of our bedrooms at night when we're going to sleep and see all these people staring up at the window. We don't have to deal with that. It's different graduations of stress, I suppose. What's important to him is, if he can have two different personas, it's a way of protecting himself."

"Well, I shared a room with him for four years," Selway laughs, before tellingly adding, "and that's not the man in the interviews."

Deeply weird bunch, Radiohead. Insular, posh, irrationally paranoid, yet capable of creating achingly beautiful songs resplendent with mind-warping sonic tricks. They might just have the potential to rechisel the granite face of rock music, if their new-found prog edge doesn't devour them or they don't disintegrate in the process. God help them if they ever get into proper drugs.

"Us on hard drugs? That would be horrible," Thom Yorke had stated earlier, in a lighter mood. "We'd probably end up sounding like Bryan Adams."

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How to Be Like Colin Greenwood

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