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The New Yorker - 08.20/27.01

The Searchers: Radiohead's unquiet revolution

by Alex Ross


On a hot day in May, the city of Bilbao was shaken by a velvety roar, not unlike the sound of a jet plane waiting on a tarmac. At one end of Calle de Iparraguirre, which cuts across the town, the silver shell of the Guggenheim Museum was glistening in the sun. For a moment, it seemed as if the noise were coming from there—as if the building were about to lift off and rocket elsewhere. In fact, the source of the disturbance was a local bullring, the Vista Alegre, where a German experimental d.j. named Christoph de Babalon was testing his gear. He was the opening act for Radiohead, a five-man rock band from Oxford, England. Radiohead fans were gathered at the entrance, staring up at the sound and asking what it meant. One had on a Kafka T-shirt, and others wore shirts with a Radiohead logo, which can only be described as a demon in tears.

A side door led to a concrete corridor, where the bulls run on an ordinary day. From there, planks reached out to a temporary stage. Christoph was in the center, eying his mixer and his CD players. With ice-blond hair and black sunglasses, he looked like a young Bond villain, but he turned out to be a friendly, chatty sort of sonic terrorist. "I am familiar with dark, small clubs," he said after the sound check. "Now it is like I am in a gladiator film." He mentioned some of his musical influences, which included avant-garde figures like Merzbow and the composer Morton Feldman. "Sometimes I work with beats, sometimes with layers," he said. "Tonight I do layers."

Popular music in the year 2001 is in a state of suspense. No one can say where the mystery train is going. On the one hand, the Top Forty chart is overrun with dancers, models, actors, and the like; on the other hand, there are signs that pop music is once again becoming a safe place for creative musicians. The world fame of Radiohead is a case in point. Having established themselves with tuneful guitar rock in the nineties, the members of this band took the risk of doing as they liked, and they discovered things about the marketplace which others had missed. Last year, they released an album titled "Kid A," an eerily comforting blend of rock riffs, jazz chords, classical textures, and electronic noise, which, in a demolition of conventional wisdom, went to No. 1 on the Billboard chart. "Amnesiac," its like-minded successor, came out in June and is doing just as well. Radiohead's selling point is not their identification with any one genre but their way of ranging over music as a whole. They have intensity, intelligence, a personality in sound. In Bilbao, they were present in spirit before they played. The idea of placing a German d.j. in a Spanish bullring was Radiohead to the core—a tricky, eclectic song waiting to happen.

Christoph went to his dressing room, and the stage was empty for a while. Two shirtless old men sat on stone steps, looking as though they had not moved since Franco died. Radiohead's gear basked in the sun. On the left-hand side was a rack of guitars—twenty-three in all. Up front, in an area set aside for Ed O'Brien, one of three guitarists in the band, was a tangle of pedals, samplers, and inch-thick cords. In the center of the stage, to be shared by Colin Greenwood, the bass player, and Thom Yorke, the singer, were various keyboards, a piano, and an upright bass. Equipment for Colin's younger brother, Jonny Greenwood, stood on the right: more guitars, more keyboards, a xylophone, a transistor radio, a sci-fi stack of analog synthesizers, and a modified ondes martenot, one of the earliest electronic instruments. The ondes martenot is controlled by a ring that slides along a wire; fewer than a hundred people have mastered it, and Jonny is one. The only really conventional-looking apparatus was the drum set, although you could tell by some distress on the edges of the drums that the player, Phil Selway, had attacked the sides as well as the skins.

Backstage, the members of Radiohead were eating dinner. Colin Greenwood hovered over the catering table, inspecting an array of Basque dishes. He is typical of the group in that he looks nothing like a celebrity who has sold fifteen million records. He is thirty-two years old, with jet-black hair and large, kindly eyes. He is easily distracted and delighted by the world around him, favoring the words "mad," "brilliant," and "amazing"—the last spoken with a long, liquid stress on the second syllable. He has a habit of suddenly burying his face in his hands, as if he were sinking into despair, or falling asleep; after a moment, his face lights up again. Lavishly well-read, he can talk at length about almost any topic under the sun—Belgian fashion; the stories of John Cheever; the effect of different types of charcoal on barbecued meat—but he gets embarrassed by his erudition and cuts himself off by saying, "I'm rambling." He is not above wearing a T-shirt that says "Life's a beach and then you shag." You might peg him as a cultish young neo-Marxist professor, or as the editor of a hip quarterly. But he is a rock star, with several Web pages devoted to him.

"It's full on out there, isn't it?" Greenwood said, looking toward the bullring, which was filling up with fans. "I'm scared." He occupied himself by talking about "Faust's Metropolis," Alexandra Richie's thousand-page history of Berlin. Outside, Christoph began to play for real, and was received in bemused silence.

An hour later, Radiohead hit the stage with a confidence that had been invisible before the show. The sound was huge, but it was awash in colors, contrasts, and detail. It was grand in effect, cool in tone, dark in mood. The set was a mixture of older tunes, from the band's breakthrough albums of the mid-nineties—"The Bends" and "OK Computer"—and newer ones, from "Kid A" and "Amnesiac." The old songs had choruses that the fans knew by heart, but the new ones, which have been described as "anti-commercial" in the rock press, made the crowd dance harder. "Idioteque" set off fierce rhythmic clapping, even though it was dominated by jagged beats, computer-music samples, and squawks from the old-school synths. It must have helped that the singer, when he was done singing, launched into a demonically silly dance, kicking his legs as if someone were firing a gun at his feet. It may also have helped, on an unconscious level, that love-drunk chords from "Tristan und Isolde" lurked at the heart of the song, courtesy of a Paul Lansky composition called "Mild und Leise."

In the middle of the set, Radiohead played a song called "Airbag," which showed why this band is taken as seriously as any since the Beatles. It was a rugged ritual, full of cabalistic exchanges, with each player taking a decisive role. Jonny started off with a melody that snaked along in uneven time — one-two-three-one-two-three-one-two — and swayed between A major and F major. O'Brien added leaner, brighter curlicues on guitar. Selway came in with a precise but heavily syncopated beat. Then Yorke began to sing, in a well-schooled, plaintive voice, an oblique account of a near-fatal collision: "In the next world war / In a jackknifed juggernaut / I am born again." At the mention of war, Colin let loose a jumpy bass line, giving a funky spin to the hymns in the treble. The music cut through a jumble of verses and choruses, then held fast to a single chord, as Yorke fell into synch with O'Brien's chiming lines. Just before the end, Colin grinned, leaped in the air a couple of times, and seized hold of his brother's tune, the one that had set the song in motion. The doubling of the theme had a kind of thunderous logic, as if an equation had been solved. The interplay was as engaging to the mind as anything that has been done in classical music recently, but you could jump up and down to it.

In the old days, rock bands had a haircut, a lingo, a house style. The disconcerting thing about Radiohead is that its members do not really look or act alike. They are basically a group of smart English guys in their late twenties and early thirties. They read books, but they also check the football scores. Three are married; two have kids; all live in Oxford, where they grew up. Thom Yorke, who writes most of the songs, is compact, boyish, and impish; he has a lethally quick mind and a subtly powerful charisma. Ed O'Brien, almost a foot taller than Yorke, has the jutting jaw and floppy bangs of an actor in a period war movie; he is suave and direct and seems to have rolled in from a different posse. Jonny Greenwood, a lanky figure with unruly black hair, is more cautious than his brother Colin, but when he starts talking he excitedly involves himself in dense, Victorian sentences, biting clauses out of the air. Phil Selway is bald and sweet-faced, and talks in a gentle voice. He looks like the nice, ordinary one, but he often has a trace of a wicked smile.

How these five mildly eccentric young Englishmen became the Knights Templar of rock and roll is anyone's guess. They are not too sure themselves. "Everyone comes to us with their heads bowed, expecting to be inducted into the mystery of Radiohead," Selway said. He made a King Tut gesture with his arms. "We were hoist on our own petard with that. At a certain point, around 1997, we were simply overwhelmed and had to vanish for a bit. This was our honest reaction to the situation we were in. But some people thought we were playing a game, or had started taking ourselves too seriously. Really, we don't want people twiddling their goatees over our stuff. What we do is pure escapism."

What happened to Radiohead in 1997 was that they caught a wave of generational anxiety. The album "OK Computer," with titles like "Paranoid Android," "Karma Police," and "Climbing Up the Walls," pictured the onslaught of the information age and a young person's panicky embrace of it. Yorke's lyrics seem a mixture of overheard conversations, techno-speak, and fragments of a harsh diary: "I trust I can rely on your vote"; "An airbag saved my life"; "Ambition makes you look pretty ugly." The songs offered images of riot police at political rallies, anguished lives in pretty suburbs, yuppies freaking out, sympathetic aliens hovering overhead. Yorke even dared to describe the feeling of letdown that follows a blast of hype, such as the one his band was producing. "When it comes, it's so-so," he sang. "It always ends up drivel." The album sold more than four million copies worldwide, enabling the group to become, by 1999, an independent operation. Radiohead were the poster boys for a certain kind of knowing alienation—as the Talking Heads and R.E.M. had been before.

Radiohead remain a magnet for misfits everywhere, but their outsider status is only a part of their appeal. What fans seem to like, even more than the content of the songs, is the sense that the band members have labored over every aspect of the product. They are skilled, first of all, at inventing the kinds of riddles that teen-agers enjoy unravelling. The records, the videos, the official Web site, even the T-shirts all cry out for interpretation. Why are words spelled funny? What are all these charts and diagrams? What about the grinning bears and crying Minotaurs? "We liked worrying over that kind of thing when we were kids, and we're still in the same mind-set a lot of the time," Selway said. "But it's a bit incidental. We're dead set on the music. That's the thread running through this whole thing. We met at school playing music together, and we still get together over music now. We like solving musical puzzles. That's what Thom gives us."

A Radiohead song is usually written in three stages. First, Yorke comes up with a rough sketch; then Jonny, who studied classical composition in school, fleshes out the harmony; finally, the others digest it for a while, working out their parts on their own. It can be months, even years, before a song comes together in a way that satisfies all of them. Take away any one element—Selway's flickering rhythmic grid, for example, fierce in execution and trippy in effect—and Radiohead are a different band. The five together form a single mind, with its own habits and tics—the Radiohead Composer. This personality can be glimpsed in the daily bustle of the group, but you can never meet it face to face, because it lives in the music. A lot of what has been written about Radiohead—there are six books, hundreds of magazine articles, and millions of words on the Internet—circles around an absent center.

During Radiohead's recent tours, the best picture of the band at work came during the sound checks. Yorke led these pre-show rituals with the assurance of a seasoned conductor with limited rehearsal time. He'd shout "Next!" just as a song was building to its climax. All problems had to be addressed on the spot. At one point, Colin said, "That's something we can work on later," whereupon Yorke muttered to himself, and Colin added, a little wearily, "It is also something we can work on now." There were moments, though, when Yorke was at a loss. Once, during a run-through of "The Tourist," he forgot the final chord, and so did everyone else—including Jonny, who had written the song. "Does anyone have a copy of 'OK Computer'?" Yorke called out. No one did. The Composer was taking a nap. A couple of weeks later, the problem still hadn't been solved. "Shall we nominate an ending and play through it to see what it sounds like?" O'Brien said, impatiently. "What do you have in mind?" Yorke said. "D7, perhaps?" "O.K., let's try it."

On their days off, Radiohead dissolve into literate anarchy. They buzz with curiosity, pepper strangers with questions, digest the answers, and wander off on their own. On the day after the Bilbao show, they took a ramble around the city, and the city was caught off guard. One stop was the Guggenheim, where they had an unsuspecting tour guide named Maria. While Maria was still trying to muster everyone in one place, Colin began reciting facts about the structure: "The limestone had to be cut by a computer. Each curve has its own algorithm. I read an article somewhere. The A/C is fucking brilliant, man. Air pumps out of that vent way up there and goes all the way down here." When Colin arrived in front of Richard Serra's massive steel sculptures, he declared that one of the pieces had gone missing from its usual place. "This is wrong," he said. "There should be a second plate bisecting the first." Selway and O'Brien started making fun of him—"Can't have gone far"; "Call lost and found"—but Maria confirmed that, in fact, the sculptures had been rearranged. As Radiohead fanned out through the museum, clumps of fans in "Kid A" T-shirts followed at a respectful distance. The group slowly disintegrated, and Maria gave up. At the exit, she said sternly, "Not once this entire time have you all been together." Yorke smiled sympathetically and replied, "Not the first time, won't be the last."

The same day, the band had a meal at a restaurant called Etxebarri, in the hills above Bilbao. The conversation was an intelligent blur, jumping from high to low and back again. On one side of the table, Jonny was talking about twentieth-century classical music. "I've been listening to a CD of Berg's 'Lulu' Suite," he said, picking at a plate of lettuce. "I'm killing myself because I forgot to bring my Messiaen." Jonny is fascinated by Olivier Messiaen, the late French composer; it is because of Messiaen that he became interested in the ondes martenot, which is featured in many of the composer's works. "I heard the 'Turangalîla Symphony' when I was fifteen," Jonny went on, "and I became round-the-bend obsessed with it. I wish I could have met him or shaken his hand. I did get to meet his sister-in-law, the ondeiste Jeanne Loriod. I'm learning Messiaen's 'Trois Petites Liturgies' for a performance in London." Jonny also mentioned a meeting with Esa-Pekka Salonen, the music director of the Los Angeles Philharmonic, who wants Radiohead to write a work for him.

On the other side of the table, Yorke, whose meal consisted of a bowl of bean soup, started complaining about pop-music conglomerates. He and the rest of the band have become politically outspoken, protesting globalization and corporate capitalism. The previous night, he had dedicated "No Surprises"—which contains the lines "Bring down the government / They don't speak for us"—to George W. Bush. This summer, Radiohead have chosen to play a number of open-air venues—such as Liberty State Park, in Jersey City, where they are appearing on August 16th and 17th—because these sites have so far escaped the tentacles of an aggressive promotion company called S.F.X., whose parent corporation, Clear Channel, also operates more than a thousand radio stations.

"S.F.X. is a parasite that needs a host to feed on," Yorke said.

"It's effective only as long as it keeps growing," O'Brien added. "At some point, it will cease growing, and then its reason to exist will disappear."

"No," Yorke said, "it's a virus that's just going to keep spreading forever."

Chris Hufford, one of the band's managers, who has to negotiate with viruses on the phone, grew impatient. "This is reality, Thom," he said. "This is the marketplace we're in."

"No," Yorke replied, "the marketplace is where we sell records. This isn't the marketplace. It's an area of, I don't know, oversight."

"Come on," Hufford said, "it's capitalism, it's what we have to work with."

"Bollocks!"

"Capitalism!"

"Bollocks!" Yorke yelled. He got up in a mock huff to go to the bathroom. Colin looked up from his steak and gestured toward the wine in the middle of the table. "Brilliant!" he exclaimed. "Booze in the afternoon!"

That night, Radiohead got on a bus to go to their next gig, in the French village of Vaison-la-Romaine. They played a show at a magnificent Roman amphitheatre there, and then went to Verona, in Italy, where they performed for a crowd of fifteen thousand in the legendary Arena, displacing scenery for "Aida" onto the piazza. Along the way, they made on-the-fly recordings with Nigel Godrich, their young, wizardly producer, on assorted Apple PowerBooks; appeared on a popular BBC radio show called "Mark & Lard," where they were required to shout the phrase "Biggity-biggity-bong!"; greeted a radio-contest winner who hailed Yorke as "a genius" and "sincere"; and avoided some overzealous fans who hollered, "We have come all the way from Venezuela, give us your autograph!" even though they had French accents and were not from Venezuela. There were also quiet moments here and there, as when they sat in a hotel lobby reading the English papers, sun streaming on the marble, and seemed to be fulfilling Colin's notion of the band as "the E. M. Forster of rock."

Radiohead began at Abingdon School, a boys' school outside Oxford. Abingdon has a history dating back to the twelfth century, but it is not an élite bastion on the order of Eton or Winchester. Its students tend to come from the Thames Valley region, rather than from all over England, and many rely on scholarships. The members of Radiohead were born into ordinary middle-class families: Yorke's father was a chemical-equipment supplier; Jonny and Colin's father served in the Army. They were, basically, townies—the kids on the other side of the ancient walls. Even at Abingdon, they felt out of place. The headmaster of the school, Michael St. John Parker, cultivated a pompous manner that many alumni—not just Radiohead—remember less than fondly. Parker is still in charge, and has described the school spirit in these terms: "Competition is promoted, achievement is applauded, and individual dynamism is encouraged."

In schools of this kind, many students gravitate to the art, music, and drama departments, where the sense of discipline is looser. For Radiohead, the saving grace of Abingdon was an exceptional teacher named Terence Gilmore-James, who headed the music program. "I was a sort of leper at the time," Yorke recalled, "and he was the only one who was nice to me." Yorke was born with his left eye paralyzed; in his childhood, he endured a series of not entirely successful operations to correct it, and the oddity of his half-open eye made him a target for bullies. Tougher than he looked, he often fought back, but he preferred to disappear. "School was bearable for me because the music department was separate from the rest of the school," he said. "It had pianos in tiny booths, and I used to spend a lot of time hanging around there after school, waiting for my dad to come home from work." Other members of the band also studied with Gilmore-James and were encouraged by him. "When we started, it was very important that we got support from him," Colin said, "because we weren't getting any from the headmaster. You know, the man once sent us a bill, charging us for the use of school property, because we practiced in one of the music rooms on a Sunday."

The yen for freedom in Radiohead's sound owes a lot to Gilmore-James, who immersed his students in twentiethcentury classical music, avant-garde music of the postwar era, classic jazz, and film scores. Once, he had the school orchestra perform Richard Rodney Bennett's score for "Murder on the Orient Express" while the film was playing. He left Abingdon in 1987 to devote himself to the legacy of his father-in-law, the Welsh composer Mansel Thomas, whose music he is editing for publication. "I watch over Radiohead much as I watch over my children," he said in a phone call. He spoke with the fastidiousness of a lifelong teacher, and yet his tone was enthusiastic rather than dogmatic. "They were all of them talented boys, in the sense that they had more than average abilities to think for themselves. I was of a different generation, and I did not always grasp what they were after, but I knew that they were serious. And they were delightful to be around, always getting carried away by their latest discoveries. Whenever I see them"—his voice became firm—"I tell them that they must continue to pursue their own original line."

In the schoolboy cadre of Radiohead, Yorke was the bossy one from the start. His very first words to Selway at rehearsal were "Can't you play any fucking faster?" The band's early songs were all over the map, sounding variously like the Smiths, R. E. M., Sonic Youth, and the Talking Heads, whose song "Radio Head" gave the group its name. (At first, they performed under the name On a Friday, but they wisely changed their minds.) The strongest influence came from the Pixies, the incontestably great but never world-famous Boston band whose gritty, brainy songs, shaded soft and loud, also inspired Nirvana. Even as the boys wandered off to university, they got together over weekends, practicing, arguing, and searching for a style. In 1991, Hufford, the co-owner of an Oxford sound studio, came to hear them play, at a place called the Jericho Tavern, and was mesmerized by Yorke's dire energy onstage. He and his partner Bryce Edge produced a demo tape and signed on as managers. Colin, who was working at a record store, gave the tape to Keith Wozencroft, a sales rep for EMI, who moved to A. & R. shortly afterward and began to tout the band. They signed with EMI later that year.

"I was getting ready to quit EMI when these lads appeared," Carol Baxter, Radiohead's international record-company representative, recalled. "Bunch of disturbed consumptives, I thought. But they were ambitious and smart. At first, I had to hide my Radiohead paperwork behind the Tina Turner and Queensrÿche files, because my boss thought I was wasting my time. Then the call came in, from Israel, actually, saying that the band had a hit." Tim Greaves, Radiohead's longtime tour manager, commented on the band's overnight success. "The funny thing about Radiohead early on was that they were more famous abroad than in England," he said. "They'd go around in a van, playing in sweaty little clubs. Then they'd go to Israel and they were rock stars. Same in America. Then it was back to England, back to the van, back to the clubs. They had a good early introduction to the relativity of fame. Fame for this band is a holiday that lasts a few weeks."

Radiohead's ticket to fame was a song called "Creep." It became a worldwide hit in 1993, when grunge rock was at its height. The lyrics spelled out the self-lacerating rage of an unsuccessful crush: "You're so fucking special / I wish I was special / But I'm a creep." The music was modelled on Pixies songs like "Where Is My Mind?": stately arpeggios, then an electric squall. What set "Creep" apart from the grunge of the early nineties was the grandeur of its chords—in particular, its regal turn from G major to B major. No matter how many times you hear the song, the second chord still sails beautifully out of the blue. The lyrics may be saying, "I'm a creep," but the music is saying, "I am majestic." The sense of coiled power is increased by several horrible stabs of noise on Jonny Greenwood's guitar. Radiohead have stopped playing "Creep," more or less, but it still hits home when it comes on the radio. When Beavis of "Beavis and Butt-head" heard the noisy part, he said, "Rock!" But why, he wondered, didn't the song rock from beginning to end? "If they didn't have, like, a part of the song that sucked, then, it's like, the other part wouldn't be as cool," Butt-head explained.

"Creep," as Butt-head must have noticed, was the first of many Radiohead songs that used pivot tones, in which one note of a chord is held until a new chord is formed around it. (In the turn from G to B, the note B is the pivot point.) "Yeah, that's my only trick," Yorke said, when this was pointed out to him. "I've got one trick and that's it, and I'm really going to have to learn a new one. Pedals, banging away through everything." But a reliance on pedal tones and pivot tones isn't necessarily a limitation: the Romantic composers worked to death the idea that any chord could turn on a dime toward another. Yorke's "pedals" help give Radiohead songs a bittersweet, doomy taste. ("Airbag," for example, being in A major, ought to be a bright thing, but the intrusion of F and C tones tilts the music toward the minor mode. "Morning Bell" sways darkly between A minor and C-sharp minor.) It's a looser, roomier kind of harmony than the standard I-IV-V-I, and it gives the songs a distinct personality. It also helps sell records: whether playing guitar rock or sampling spaced-out electronica, Radiohead affix their signature.

Through the years, many bands have thrown bits and pieces of jazz and classical into their mix. The Beatles were by far the best at this kind of genre assimilation. Lesser psychedelic and prog-rock bands turned orchestral crescendos and jazz freak-outs into another brand of kitsch. But Radiohead's classical complexity isn't pasted on the surface; it's planted at the core. If you did a breakdown of the music, you'd find the same harmonic DNA everywhere. Another trademark is the band's use of musical space. Riffs are always switching registers, bouncing from treble to bass, breaking through the ceiling or falling through the floor. In "Just," from "The Bends," the Greenwood brothers play octatonic scales that sprawl over four octaves; the effect is of music looming miles above you.

There are times when Radiohead seem to be practicing a new kind of classical music for the masses. In the sessions for "Kid A" and "Amnesiac," which began in 1999 and dragged on for a year and a half, their sound became bewitchingly intricate. On "Pyramid Song," for example, a string section played glissando harmonics, a texture that Stravinsky's "Firebird" made famous, while Selway laid on a shuffling rhythm that defies description, because, as he said, "there is no time signature." On "Dollars & Cents," O'Brien used a pedal to bend a chord from major to minor and back again. For "Like Spinning Plates," Yorke learned the vocal line of an unused song backward and made up new words while driving around in his car. The guitarists set aside their instruments for a while and taught themselves to use heaps of electronic equipment. In "Treefingers," on "Kid A," O'Brien generated something that sounded a lot like Jonny's beloved Messiaen. Both albums were also heavily influenced by jazz, especially by Mingus, Alice Coltrane, and Miles Davis in his fusion phase.

Behind this creative frenzy, however, was an ongoing debate about the direction of the band. The five of them often have to thrash out issues among themselves: how to balance tours with family life; how to keep the media at bay; how, simply, to get along. In this case, Yorke was fed up with the kind of verse-and-chorus music Radiohead had made throughout the nineties, and not everyone else agreed. O'Brien, in particular, thought that the band should return to the kind of classic guitar rock that by the end of the decade had become an endangered species. "There was a lot of arguing," Nigel Godrich recalled. "People stopped talking to one another. 'Insanity' is the word. In the end, I think the debate was redundant, because the band ultimately kept doing what it has always done—zigzagging between extremes. Whenever we really did try to impose an aesthetic from the outside—the aesthetic being, say, electronic—it would fail. All the drama was just a form of procrastination. Next time, three weeks, and we're out."

Radiohead may change direction once again. Several songs on "Amnesiac" stand out for their straight-ahead pop appeal. "I Might Be Wrong" is all snarling guitars; "Knives Out" goes back to the clean-cut heartbreak of the Smiths. The ominously beautiful "Pyramid Song" could almost be a variation on "Swing Low, Sweet Chariot":

I jumped in the river, what did I see?
Black-eyed angels swam with me. . . .
We all went to heaven in a little rowboat
There was nothing to fear and nothing to doubt.

This is very much Yorke's song, and it sounds best when he performs it alone, on an upright piano. You notice that he sings from the chest, breathing through his phrases. You also notice the plain mystery of his piano chords. Laced with suspended tones, they hang mysteriously in the air, somewhere between serenity and sadness. "I bought a piano after 'OK Computer,' at a time when picking up a guitar just didn't do anything for me at all," he says. "I bought a really flashy piano that I couldn't play at all. In true rock-star style." In fact, he gets a warm, mellow tone out of the piano, caressing rather than pounding the keys. He keeps his wrists high, as if Terence Gilmore-James were looking over his shoulder.

Yorke is the essential spark of the Radiohead phenomenon. Like all greatly gifted people, he is not always easy to be around. When a stranger approaches him, wanting unscheduled attention, he can be unsettlingly mute. He is, by his own admission, temperamental and chronically dissatisfied. But his fault-finding circles back to the music, which is why the other band members go along with it. When he is happy, it feels like history in the making. Curled up on a dressing-room sofa after a show, he comes across as warm, alert, and faintly mischievous. "It's nice when people talk to you as if you're a human being, rather than as if you'd just landed from another planet," he said. "We're fallible, this is fallible, sometimes we're shit, sometimes we're not. We want to kind of mellow it all out a bit. Just chill the fuck out." He grinned quickly, perhaps realizing that the last phrase was a contradiction in terms.

At the beginning of June, "Amnesiac" went on sale in the United States. There was mild Radiohead mania all over New York. The core audience was represented by Helen Weng, an eighteen-year-old from Long Island, who waited at the Virgin Megastore with her friend Melissa Torres to buy "Amnesiac" at a midnight sale. In her bag, she carried a letter from Thom Yorke, written in his own hand, with advice on how to make yourself happy. "It's good to know someone else has had the same feelings," she said, clutching the paper. Over at Fez, Justin Bond, the cross-dressing star of the scathingly brilliant cabaret duo Kiki & Herb, sang "Life in a Glasshouse," from "Amnesiac," even though the record was not yet in the stores. He attributed it to "Rodeohead, a very exciting young English rock ensemble," and rendered it as a demented torch song, which it already mostly was.

Radiohead's appeal to a cross-section of the American public defies the untranslatability of English pop. Steve Martin, a publicist for the band, explained it this way: "Americans don't go for 'cheeky.' We like earnest." Radiohead may be cagey, but they are never cheeky, and they are massively earnest. They have worked hard in America, logging time in the middle of the country as well as on the coasts. They are noted in the music business for being polite and unproblematic. A French hotel reservation of theirs extravagantly requested, "Extra towels." One hotel doorman described them as "nice, sharp-witted, entertaining young men. Not trash-headed and stupored, as you might expect." Despite the fatigue of their last big tours, in 1997 and 1998, they were game for America this summer.

"Sure, the last tour was bloody awful," Ed O'Brien said, "but that was where we were at mentally, not a reaction to America. This place is just too huge to generalize about. When I was in college, I took six months off to ride around in Greyhound buses, and I got a sense of it." He was excited about playing at Red Rocks Amphitheatre, in the foothills of the Rockies. "Basically, we've had a fantasy scenario of reënacting U2 live at Red Rocks," he said. "We watched the video a million times when we were kids and know every frame. 'This song is not a rebel song!' " He lifted his fist and let out a soft roar. Fans who worry that Radiohead are losing touch with rock and roll can always look to this man, who enjoys the role of the guitar hero, even if he also sometimes kneels down in front of his samplers and molds the music into a smear of color.

Radiohead checked into a Denver hotel on June 19th. Fans descended on Red Rocks the following morning, squatting on a half-mile flight of steps that leads to the arena. Down at the bottom was a group of college students, from Pepperdine and the University of Colorado at Boulder. Their names were Elke Goldstein, Amber Hollingsworth, Matt Duffy, and Kendall Lux. "Radiohead is music for miserable people who were dropped on the floor when they were little," Amber explained. "I don't know about that," Elke said. "I mean, that's the reputation, but are we miserable?" Munching on carrots, they did not look miserable.

Matt delivered a critique of the band, speaking rapidly, as if from memory. "Thom is suffering from Bono syndrome," he said. "Getting political. What's he doing hanging out with Bono? What's Bono doing hanging out with presidents and the Pope? He's a rock singer, damn it! Here's the difference between U2 and Radiohead: U2 says, 'The world sucks, and we have to change it,' whereas Radiohead says, 'The world sucks and not much can be done about it. The world is lame, ridiculous.' " Elke rolled her eyes. "May-be," she said. Matt barrelled on: "Their records are put out by EMI, a multinational conglomerate, so it's hard to see how they can attack capitalism from that position. 'Kid A' and 'Amnesiac'? Ambient blueprints for music we haven't quite heard yet. Thom listens to Brian Eno, Aphex Twin, the whole Warp Records back catalogue. 'Packt Like Sardines'—what's that, one pattern stuck in a groove? But when they play it we're all going to go, 'Yeah!' No one can really say why they like them. Yet here we are."

In a matter of minutes, Matt had summed up everything that has been written about Radiohead in the past few years. Rock critics, like adolescent fans, have feisty friendships with the bands they admire, lacing hero worship with contempt. It's one thing to hear this from a college student; it's another to read it in cold print, in all its meandering incoherence. If some magazines didn't use rating systems, you would have no idea what the reviewers thought. The magazine Q, for example, gave "Amnesiac" four stars and then called it "numb, petty, desolate." Spin wrote, "They're just trying to get home in one piece, life is but a dream. Fa fa fa. Blip blip." Rating: 7 out of 10. Some of the criticism has been peculiarly personal, especially in England. Melody Maker once said that Yorke was "marked for destruction" and suggested that he might end up killing himself, like Kurt Cobain. As a result, the singer has developed an aversion to English rock writers, and they, in turn, have goaded him at every turn. Ill feelings all around have led to unrecognizable profiles in which the band seems to be composed of curmudgeons.

At Red Rocks, Radiohead agreed to sit down for a rare collective interview with a journalist. A brave young MTV correspondent named Gideon Yago showed up to interrogate them. A Queens native who started working at MTV at the age of twenty-one, Yago has loved Radiohead since his teens. He had a sheaf of notes on his clipboard, including a chart of the band members' personalities. O'Brien and Selway struck him as "the sensible ones"; the Greenwood brothers he pegged as "will eat you alive." He wasn't sure what to make of Yorke. His impressions were based largely on a Radiohead tour documentary, "Meeting People Is Easy," which came out in 1998. This unpleasant film was a kind of counterstrike against the music press, recording scores of pointless interviews with dead-tired members of the band. During one of them, Colin seemed ready to lapse into a coma. "I don't want to be just another dolt with a microphone," Yago said. "Like the guy in the movie who asks Thom if he got to talk to Calvin Klein."

Yago knew a lot about music and a lot about Radiohead, but when the cameras rolled he elected to keep much of his knowledge hidden. "Remember," his producer, Liane Su, told him, "you're not an expert, you're just a fan." The fans wanted to know whether the band thought it was experimenting too much, why "Kid A" and "Amnesiac" hadn't been released as a double album, what all the songs on "Amnesiac" meant. Radiohead did snap at Yago once or twice, as when he characterized "Amnesiac" as "a collection of outtakes from the 'Kid A' sessions," and Selway shot back, "Try again!" But the mood was relaxed, for the most part. Yago got them all to laugh when he introduced a question from a so-called "Stanley from Coney Island," which read, "How do you guys feel about the fact that bands like Travis, Coldplay, and Muse are making a career sounding exactly like your records did in 1997?" Yorke cupped his hand around his mouth and called out, "Good luck with 'Kid A'!" When the interview was over, Yago looked shell-shocked but relieved. "That was relatively painless," the journalist said, gulping down a Molson.

Last month, Radiohead returned home to play in South Park, a broad meadow outside the center of Oxford. It was a drizzly day, and the towers of the university were gray lumps in the distance. The event was a kind of mini-festival, mostly given over to performances by bands that Radiohead admired. Like other summer festivals, it had kebab stands, beer huts, and T-shirt booths. Forty-four thousand fans, mostly in their teens and twenties, sat on the lawn. After a few hours, the grass was carpeted with plastic-foam cups, each one displaying the "Amnesiac" logo. To an outsider, it might have seemed like just another messy rock show.

It wasn't. At about four o' clock, Humphrey Lyttelton, the eighty-year-old jazz trumpeter, appeared onstage. After a few words of introduction, he and his band launched into a deft set of Armstrong and Ellington numbers. A guy in a "Blur: Are Shite" T-shirt shouted, "You're great!" Next up was Sigur Rós, a group of Icelandic musicians, who play a kind of mystic-minimalist rock that builds to climaxes over five- and ten-minute spans. In the half-mile-long line of people who were shuffling toward the "Alcoholic Fresh Juices" stand, every other face was lost in wonder at the gentle power of the chords. South Park had been overtaken by the Radiohead ethic—a love of far-flung sounds, a knack for sinuous juxtapositions, a faith in the audience's ability to take it all in.

Something about Radiohead inspires a disorienting kind of hope. Unlike so many professional cynics in the business, these musicians believe that their art can go still higher. They have promoted dozens of lesser-known, musically inventive acts, including Autechre, the Beta Band, Clinic, Kid Koala, Lali Puna, Low, Sparklehorse, and, of course, Christoph de Babalon. They have also boosted favorite authors, helping to sell thousands of copies of Naomi Klein's anti-globalization screed "No Logo." The artists who appear on this roster have little or nothing in common, and that is what they have in common: they are a funky clamor of voices, not a line of products. Such guerrilla marketing is, in the end, a form of politics—a protest against the growing sameness of the cultural landscape. The sheer cussedness of the enterprise is amazing to behold. The loudest protest comes in Radiohead's own songs, which, next to the white noise of prefab pop, sound like the music of a hidden world, hymns from a sunken cathedral.

"Lots of really talented artists are being thrown by the wayside," Yorke had said during the American tour. "They are not being given the time of day, because they're not doing things that fit the moment. Madmen with machetes are chopping away at the wood—any wood, deadwood, doesn't matter. You want to slap people and say, 'Why don't you go back and look at all the beautiful things that have been made in the music business and realize that you have to have faith in people?' In the long run, the industry wants to make money, but if a company wants to make money then it has to take a risk. These people don't take risks. They make quick money and then that's it. And the world isn't a nicer place for it. What really makes me fucking spit blood is when people in the industry start complaining about how there's no talent around. I know it's there and you know it's there. But you are too shit scared to do anything about it."

Radiohead came onto the South Park stage at eight-thirty. It was not the most flawless show of the past few weeks, but it may have been the most intense. Yorke's voice glowed with emotion. If Terence Gilmore-James had been there, he would have been happy; you could hear how Radiohead's storm of sound was centered on a singing line. During "How to Disappear Completely," a drenching rain began to fall. The crowd, religiously attentive, stayed in place. Yorke appeared alone for the last number, and hit a few plangent chords. His instrument went dead. "Es ist kaputt, ja?" he said. "I have another idea." The others came back onstage, and together they launched into the familiar strains of "Creep," which had gone unplayed since 1998. G major wheeled majestically into B. Jonny made his Beavis-and-Butt-head noise. Yorke sang, "What the hell am I doing here?"

Afterward, in the dressing room, Yorke looked happy. "Don't know if you could tell," he said to Colin's wife, Molly, "but I was in tears for the last part of it." Then the perfectionist in him reawakened. "Horrible diesel smell coming from somewhere," he said.

The next day, Colin invited some friends over for brunch. He and Molly live in a semidetached house on an Oxford side street. This was the beginning of a three-week holiday for the band, and Colin faced the prospect of having nothing to do. "We might go to a movie," he said, as if he were going to the moon. He picked through some LPs and CDs, putting on Brad Mehldau. When someone asked him if he had got a sense of the crowd at South Park—it may have been the largest public gathering in the thousand-year history of Oxford—he rubbed his eyes and smiled. " 'Fraid not," he replied. "I was too busy looking at Phil's calves. That's where the beats are.

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Yahoo! Music 06/15/2001

Meeting Machines Is Easy?
Antonio Walker


Thom Yorke sits in a large leather armchair looking like little boy lost. Wearing a baggy denim outfit that makes him look about 12 years old, Yorke is granting interviews today at Radiohead Central in the Oxford burb of Didcott Parkway. The most anguished pop star since Greta Garbo (see Meeting People Is Easy) will happily discuss Radiohead, dreams, electronica, world economic evil, his group's new album Amnesiac, and even his son Noah, but forget the personal angle. After exposing his heart and head to millions with the epic OK Computer, only to make a hasty retreat to sanity with the electronica manifesto Kid A, Yorke has learned how to hang on to his ego. For instance, does Amnesiac's first single and most beautiful track, "Pyramid Song," allude to the afterlife and Yorke's belief in God, Satan, Alan Greenspan, or any of the above?

"No, no, no," he replies. "That is autobiographical, and I won't do that. It doesn't matter at all. The whole point is every time you write a song it is about making a little spell, and answering questions like that will break it."

"Pyramid Song" is Radiohead's finest spell ever, a hypnotic symphony of lush, circling piano chords, swirling Johnny Greenwood-scored strings, and tumbling jazz drumming, with lyrics describing plane crash survivors who "all go to heaven in little rowboats." Mournful mutters of "There were nothing to fear and nothing to doubt" and "all my past and futures" echo through the song like a healing mantra sent from the afterlife.

"It was [written] after a day spent staring at all these weird Egyptian figures," Yorke recalls. "The Egyptians have these rowboats that when they die they go through the Milky Way in. It was based on that and a fusion of experiences that I had dreamed. I really did have that 'all my past and futures' thing happen. Not before my eyes--it was a bit more peculiar than that. The song is very much inspired by the Egyptian stuff and this seriously Loony-Tunes book I read about ancient star charts and where the pyramids are built. I was reading the Tibetan Book Of The Dead too; that is guaranteed to f--k you up."

The video for "Pyramid Song" is equally surreal, depicting our hero diving to the bottom of the ocean and eventually morphing into two stars which soar through the clouds like playful UFOs. Do the stars represent rowboats traveling to heaven?

"They could be," Yorke replies sheepishly. "You have to watch the video a lot, then you'll see a lot of different things. It really freaks you out after a while."

An extension of the innovative Kid A sessions, Amnesiac may disappoint fans pining for The Bends or "Creep, Part 2." But Amnesiac is a minor wish-granter to the fans of guitarists Johnny Greenwood and Ed O'Brien, and is rife with beautiful melodies and whirring electronica. Recorded simultaneously with Kid A, Amnesiac is somehow softer and more inviting. Though the buzzing insects of "Packt Like Sardines In A Crushed Tin Box" and "Pull/Pulk Revolving Doors" intoxicate in a droids-in-heat fashion, more engaging fare rewards the patient. "Knives Out" recalls the Smiths. "You And Whose Army" is a woozy beauty of whispered challenges and a "Hey Jude"-style crescendo. The eerie "Dollars And Cents" points ugly fingers at the WTO and the IMF. A reworked "Morning Bell" (from Kid A) is as delicate and soul-freeing as John Lennon's "Across The Universe." Amnesiac closes with "Life In A Glasshouse," a wobbly bit of New Orleans jazz with vitriolic lyrics about nosy journalists.

While rumor has it that Radiohead is currently back in the studio writing big guitar anthems, Amnesiac covers that period two years ago when the band was climbing the walls and coming apart at the seams.

"A lot of that was the buildup of unspoken unhappiness over previous years, rather than the actual process of making music." Bassist Colin Greenwood's relaxed nature is in contrast to Yorke's introverted personality. "We just didn't have a plot. We would never disown the vast majority of the songs we've done, but Thom's emotional nature is such that he puts everything into a song that he wrote in 1993. He is a different person now. And then there was a lot of fear going around over technology. I spent a year just learning how computers work. 'We are a guitar band,' I thought. 'What are we doing?' But a lot of the records we love are by Kraftwerk, Neu!, and Can: flowing, instrumental, stream-of-consciousness music. There has always been an element of dance to our music. Dodgy bands always say that, don't they?"

For Kid A and Amnesiac, Radiohead destroyed its idols, trading its usual music-writing procedures for tedious hours of studio experimentation with samplers and computers. The music of Alice Coltrane and Charles Mingus was also influential. Yorke lead the way, with Colin in close accord. The rest of Radiohead were less computer-friendly, but after the dead-end misery of touring behind OK Computer, Yorke knew there was no other way.

"A lot of thinking needed to be done," says Yorke. "If you are running on auto for that long, like we were by the end of [the Radiohead documentary] Meeting People Is Easy, it is quite damaging. You lose confidence. You think, 'Hang on, this is not where we are supposed to be. This doesn't feel right.' It just seemed a bit silly: 'Not only is this horrendously out of date, it is not doing us any good. We are not writing good stuff, it is not exciting.' We had to get back to where it felt right again."

"It is good for Thom to feel that he has emotional support," says Colin. "You can say what you want about Thom's fragile persona, but someone who works as hard as he does and then performs in front of 10,000 people every night and reveals his emotional candor--physically, he is a strong person and emotionally, he is very sensitive, too. People think he is fragile and f--ked up, but not really, don't think so. Do an 18-month tour around the world and see how you feel."

These days, Yorke feels much better. He knows how to give long answers. He knows how to speak in riddles. And he knows exactly when the hour is up. But he does seem fitter, happier, and more productive. With all these good vibrations and hopeful guitar-rockers in Radiohead's future, can a love song or two be far behind?

"Yeah, probably, yeah. Mmmmm." Yorke ponders life, love, and his first Kid A. "I think I do anyway. If I was going to write a love song, it wouldn't necessarily be a 'love song.' And as I keep banging on about, these songs are not autobiographical, so if it was then it wouldn't be, just because I have a new baby son. It would be quite amusing, just to me and him, and that is about it."

So, having a son has changed Yorke's life?

"Yeah, well, he is here to save the universe, after all. I am getting him trained in woodwork."

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The New York Times 30.09.00

The Post-Rock Band
Forty years after the Beatles, Radiohead has reinvented the idea of the rock group - with as much John Cage as John Lennon.

By Gerald Marzorati



Radiohead is a significant band at a bad time for significant bands. Radiohead took its name from a song by Talking Heads, which says something about Radiohead's aspirations, and something too about how self-conscious and historically freighted any aspiring band cannot help being now. Radiohead is making music at a moment when the epoch of bands would seem to be coming to a close, a moment when what is novel in popular music is being made not by groups of young men playing guitars and writing and singing their own songs but rather by individual D.J.'s and one- or two-person production teams using turntables and computers and assorted electronic gadgets. It's a moment that has the feel of a mainstream-music paradigm shift - away from pop-rock and toward hip-hop, dance music and what gets called electronica. It's a moment nearly 40 years removed from the last big paradigm shift, secured by the advent of the first significant band, the Beatles, whom the members of Radiohead seem to talk about all the time.

Radiohead is a band that is dealing with the sea change in popular music in ways wholly unlike Limp Bizkit and the other "rap metal" bands whose albums have dominated the Billboard charts for the last two years - bands that have taken the worst aspects of hip-hop (misogynist rap lyrics and monotonous beats) and fused them with heavy-metal white-guy bathos. Radiohead is a quintet whose members first met 15 years ago at the Abingdon School in Oxfordshire, England. They are not angry or wildly disaffected but serious, inward-turned and uneasy, in particular Thom Yorke, the band's lead singer. Yorke possesses one of the finest voices ever to grace a pop recording - it circles operatically on its way to a lustrous falsetto, and it is what ultimately makes a Radiohead song a Radiohead song. Yorke is also the band's chief songwriter and driving force, or as he has put it: "We operate like the U.N. I'm America." Yorke would not speak to me for some time when I joined the band on the road for several days last month in Copenhagen, and he also chooses not to speak to his fellow band members from time to time, which tends to make them even more uneasy. ("Thom can be rather... hard on people," is how Nigel Godrich, the precocious young producer who works with Radiohead, put it, choosing his words carefully, so as not to make things harder for himself, I did not doubt.)

Three years ago, Radiohead confronted the looming end of album-based, guitar-saturated, lyric-dense rock by counterintuitively releasing OK Computer, a 70's-redolent concept album stuffed with grandly contoured melodies, rigorous guitar patternings, odd time signatures, melancholy minor chords and atonal changes and weighty dystopian lyrics summoning a world of technological disasters, hypercapitalist conformity and things moving so fast that there was no longer time to do things like listen to painstakingly wrought, crepuscularly beautiful concept albums like OK Computer. (If Don DeLillo's Underworld were a rock album, it would sound like OK Computer.) The kind of aging white men who edit music journals and write rock criticism and still listen to albums under headphones (and many times over again) hailed OK Computer as a masterpiece, and a lot of other people loved it, too: it was nominated for the Album of the Year Grammy and has sold, at last count, 4.7 million copies worldwide. At one of the shows I saw the band play, it seemed half the mesmerized crowd (hipster student types, mostly) were singing along to the strangest song on the album, "Paranoid Android" - a song that begins with the lyric "Please could you stop the noise I'm trying to get some rest/from all the unborn-chicken voices in my head," and climaxes six minutes later with a brooding Russianate chorale.

Radiohead is releasing a new album this week, its fourth. And in the music industry, which, in the wake of the success of OK Computer, has been scrambling to sign Radiohead-esque bands (Travis, Coldplay, Muse and others), the new album has created that amorphous though tinglingly palpable sense of anticipation no album by a band has generated in years. (Playing no small role in this has been Radiohead's aggressively passive rollout strategy: no advanced single for radio and no video, though MTV is showing brief video "blips" provided by Radiohead that feature sound bites from the album.) Titled Kid A, the new album is not a concept album, but it is, like its predecessor, one for the headphones.

Kid A has one genuine rock song, "Optimistic"; it's janglingly reminiscent of R.E.M., a band whose music and artfully considered way of going about being pop musicians had a considerable influence on Radiohead early on. As for the other nine songs, many of them don't have verse-chorus structures, most of them blur at their edges beneath synthesizer- and radio-generated atmospherics and nearly all of them have lamentatory or incantatory or imperative lyrics built of fragments that might have been pulled from Tristan Tzara's hat. It is not "difficult" music, though, as searching as much of it is, mainly because the sonic textures Radiohead has worked up for the songs are so evocative and absorbing. Sounds from the past (a churchy harmonium, a bowed double bass, a florid, cascading harp) surge and fade amid burbling electro-beats, taped and looped vocals and computer-manipulated guitar and keyboard riffs: it's an aural palimpsest, its delights surfacing slowly, and concentrated in the rubs and the musically shaped spaces. For example, on the album's title track, the name for which was lifted from a software program of children's voices, a ravishing sound sculpture is constructed from an Old World music-box motif; a bit of jazzy drumming taped, cut and pasted; a Gramophone-era vocal melody stretched and garbled by a vocoder; and a watery foundation established by an Ondes Martinot, the protosynthesizer used by the French composer Olivier Messiaen, who is much admired by Radiohead's lead guitarist and keyboard experimenter, Jonny Greenwood.

Jonny's older brother, Colin, is Radiohead's bass player and, even in a band that unwinds back at the hotel by drinking a glass or two of wine and worrying about the consolidation of the British publishing industry, he stands out as the most intellectually minded member of the group. (He read English at Cambridge.) When I asked him one morning last month, while we sat and chatted in the gardens of Copenhagen's Rosenborg Castle, how Kid A had come about, he thought for a moment, cited a Leonard Bernstein dictum that all music-making is about ambiguity and deletion, mentioned matter-of-factly that during the Kid A sessions there had been moments when the band seemed on the verge of breaking up, then finally said: "The whole thing, really, comes down to finding a new sound. You think about the Beatles, they sort of came up with a new approach every album - they listened to all this stuff then brought it to bear on their work. And that's how we work, too. But of course they were at the beginning, inventing how it could be done." He paused, and then he said, "We are people who have worked together for 15 years, a rare thing - especially for men, when you think about it - and it's getting harder not only for us, but it would seem for music itself, to do something new."

The surprisingly strong sales of OK Computer may have been driven to some small degree by the overwhelming critical embrace of the album, but are more likely owed to the labors of the band itself, which spent a year and a half on three continents touring in support of the album. It is the way a band has always become big, and it is a terrible grind. Of course, only a band with considerable ambition would ever find itself out on the road that way. But Thom Yorke doesn't like the word "ambition." "We used to be more ambitious," he said when I brought the topic up. "And what does that mean, anyway, ambition?"

'I think we managed somehow to bend the machines to our will,' Greenwood says.

I shifted a bit: hadn't the fame and fortune that resulted from the saturation touring of OK Computerbrought Radiohead a whole new level of freedom and control?

"You can say we've earned the privilege to do things our way," he replied, "and I would say to you" - and he did say it, and you can imagine.

Then he laughed a little and seemed slightly embarrassed. Yorke comes across as someone who has had to work up a certain hauteur to get what he wants aesthetically and also to insulate that art-minded aspect of him from all that encompasses the Biz. But there is also a boyish sweetness to him, and that English decency Orwell put such stock in, and that goes too for the other band members - they hold doors and ask after the health and spirits of roadies and sign autographs in the cool drizzle outside their hotel as if they liked nothing more and apologize for everything. "Sorry," Yorke said to me. Then he thought for a moment before going on to say: "We knew a lot about bands, you know, about the endless touring and things you need to do to be able to be a big band at the end of all that. But by the end, those last months on the OK Computer tour - it was just totally wrong.

"You know," he continued, "we always had this idea that the good thing about being in a band was people clicking, keeping one another's interest going - all the stuff you can't do in a bedroom by yourself. And here I was spending days thinking: The hell with this band. It was awful."

Yorke, who is 31, which is roughly the median age of a Radiohead member, was seated on a sofa and sipping white wine in the band's dressing room following one of the concerts last month in Copenhagen, an early stop on a brief European tour nothing like the one to promote OK Computer. Because Radiohead can stand neither the acoustics nor the atmosphere of big arenas, each concert was being staged in a huge, custom-built tent carefully raised in a big city park. This required a crew of dozens not only to hoist and lower the indigo-colored tent but to work the custom sound and lighting systems that were fitted beneath them, and this crew, in turn, as well as the band and its crew - managers, the "guitar tech," and so on - were fed through the day by a catering team that also found time to shop locally each morning for an elaborate, multicourse preconcert dinner each night. Mornings and early afternoons were mostly free for band members to read, exercise, stroll around. Late in the afternoon they assembled under the tent for a brief sound check. Radiohead went on stage on the early side by rock standards, around 8:30, following an opening band (in Copenhagen, it was an arty Icelandic group called Sigur Ros), and were done by 11. "Thom just didn't want be working all the time anymore," Colin Greenwood said. "People still cling to this idea that bands don't work hard - maybe they can't acknowledge it, since we are part of their leisure - but it is hard."

Radiohead's two Copenhagen shows were workouts - spirited, exacting and at times wondrous, as when, say, Jonny Greenwood "played" a transistor radio like a Stratocaster on one new song, or, when he and the band's other guitar player, Ed O'Brien, during another new one, knelt over sampling machines, capturing Thom Yorke's voice and strange electric-piano chord changes and sending them droning and echoing over the crowd like otherworldly plainsong. "It's set up as an experiment in a way, that song," Yorke said later. "I like that it cannot ever be the same any night by design. I get bored. I'm bored with the rock thing. Aren't you?"

One morning last month I drove through Abingdon, a picturesque market town, and then past the Abingdon School, with its brick-red Victorian buildings and beveled hedgerows and schoolboys in their blazers and ties, gathered on a wide stretch of lawn. Showing me around was Chris Hufford, a partner in Radiohead's longtime management team, Courtyard Management, and as he talked of how his son had decided against attending Abingdon - Hufford and his associates have their offices in the nearby village of Sutton Courtenay - I couldn't take my eyes off those public-school boys, baffled as to how the members of arguably the most significant band of this moment could have been among them not so many years before. At the Abingdon School, Colin Greenwood studied classical guitar, Selway studied percussion, Yorke wrote incidental music for a production of A Midsummer Night's Dream and Jonny Greenwood manned a viola chair in a local youth orchestra. What would become Radiohead more or less came together, at Yorke's instigation, in a school band room.

The success of Radiohead has brought with it the publication of no fewer than three quicky biographies of the band, and in each, the impetus for the band's formation, and, for that matter, the darkish modalities of its lyrics and music, are traced to Yorke's childhood, and a series of painful operations on his lazy left eye that not only failed to correct the condition but also damaged his vision and left his eyelid drooping slightly, for which he was ceaselessly ridiculed by other boys ("Salamander," he was called at Abingdon). Ultimately, though, Radiohead's roots are not that much different from those of the countless bands before them: they liked hanging out together, clique-style, shared a passion for particular recordings - especially those of American groups like R.E.M. and the Boston-based college rockers the Pixies - and thought playing music would be a great means of cementing their bond and a way to make use of it.

"The really weird thing is how serious I was about it," Ed O'Brien recalled one afternoon in Copenhagen.

"We all were," Jonny Greenwood quickly amended.

The three of us were having a cup of coffee at a bar near their Copenhagen hotel before they headed to the tent for a sound check.

Greenwood: "I went off to college, and it was for me, like, O.K., I hope this week isn't too rough, because I have to get back home for band practice this weekend. I mean, the band's been what I do - been my life - since I was 13."

O'Brien: "At Abingdon we'd rehearse, tape the rehearsal, listen to the tape of the rehearsal, rehearse some more..."

Greenwood: "Yeah, we'd hardly ever play for anybody."

O'Brien: "Nobody liked us, except us."

Greenwood: "That's true."

O'Brien: "I'd play tapes of us for people when I went off to college - I mean, the band was my raison d'etre - and they'd give me that look that said: Keep studying."

Greenwood: "We were so serious."

O'Brien: "We'd sit together in a pub or something in Abingdon, which can be an incredibly boring place to be at that age - maybe we're 16 or 17 - and we'd lay out the plan of what we were going to do."

Greenwood: "I mean, when you really think about it..."

O'Brien: "Uh-oh. I feel a Charlie Watts-ism coming here..."

Greenwood: "Actually, I think we just wanted to make a record."

O'Brien: "More than that."

While Thom Yorke was at Exeter University in the late 1980's, where he studied art and literature, he wrote a song called "Creep." It's about a drunken guy, troubled by his self-image, for whom the sight of a young beauty brings on a crisis of confidence, and worse. Late in the summer of 1992, when Radiohead was in a studio to work on a single, it got recorded, almost as an afterthought, and the producers applauded. A four-song EP, their first recording after signing a deal with Britain's Parlophone label, which is part of the globe-spanning EMI Group, had been released at the end of 1991 in Britain, and gone nowhere. "Creep" pretty much went nowhere in Britain, too.

But the story of "Creep" does not end there. A music director at a San Francisco college station found the single in a Berkeley record shop's import rack and added it to his station's playlist. Within weeks it was an underground rage up and down the California coast. "Creep" was included on Radiohead's first album, Pablo Honey, released in February 1993, and "Creep" drove it into the charts. A new, bowdlerized radio-edit version of "Creep" was produced for American modern rock stations, excising the emotive use of an obscenity, and the single went into deep rotation. By the end of the summer of 1993, "Creep" was a national alt-rock smash - the next new slacker anthem, following Nirvana's "Teen Spirit" and Beck's "Loser."

Radiohead toured America, and everywhere kids in flannel shirts screamed for "Creep." But often they would leave once the band played the song. And then a follow-up single went nowhere. And by the end of 1993, Radiohead was being written off.

Kids still yell for "Creep" at Radiohead concerts, which is an indication of how important a hit single can be in building a fan base. Radiohead won't play "Creep" anymore, and when I brought it up with Yorke, he lit into American radio, and how modern-rock D.J.'s tormented him with questions as to whether the "Creep" was him, and what had his parents or somebody done to him, did he think, to make him turn out this way: the pop-analysis inquiries of the grunge era. "You can't imagine how horrible that was," he told me. "And the thing about being a one-hit wonder: you know, you do come to believe it. You say you don't but you do. It messed me up good and proper."

Kid A came together not far from Abingdon, in a gathering of old stone barns that the band has converted into Radiohead Central, with recording studios, workstations, meeting areas and bedrooms. Kid A did not come together easily, however. In making the previous albums, it worked like this: Yorke would have some songs roughed out, and these would be added to songs left over from previous sessions, and the band would gather and rehearse them, each member going off into his corner for a day or two and working up his riff for a song or, perhaps, an entire idea for an arrangement. There would also be time during these rehearsals for listening to recordings each of the members happened to be intrigued by then.

"It's like you hear something and you say to the others, Let's aim for that - that sound," Jonny Greenwood explained. "And then you might aim for that, knowing your style and limitations will keep you from ever getting there - John Lennon said this - but they will, as a result of where you've aimed, maybe get you somewhere new and great." (Greenwood mentioned that his obsession with Miles Davis's Bitches Brew had set the tone when they were working on OK Computer.)

O'Brien had convinced himself, even before work began on the new album, that Radiohead should do a sort of back-to-roots guitar record, closer in feel to the band's second album, The Bends. However, when he and the other band members gathered to rehearse and begin recording in a Paris studio in January of last year - the new Oxfordshire complex was still under construction - they learned that that was the last thing Yorke had in mind.

He just didn't think guitar bands were "relevant" anymore, he told the other band members. He was interested most in new, more contemplative forms of hip-hop, like that produced by San Francisco's DJ Shadow; and Yorke had taken with him to Paris recordings from the early 90's by Autechre and the Aphex Twin, weavers of rave-scene chill-out sound tapestries. The other band members didn't get it.

"It was rather incredible to see," Nigel Godrich, who went to Paris with the band, recalled one evening a few weeks ago, sitting behind a control board at a studio in St. John's Wood. "I mean, Radiohead is a remarkable guitar band. But what Thom wanted now was a sound that doesn't tend to get made by bands."

The band left Paris having gotten nowhere and reassembled in Copenhagen a few weeks later. It got worse. The new songs Yorke had, dozens of them, were mostly sketches. Godrich recalls Yorke not talking much to anyone. O'Brien found the two weeks there "horrendous." In April, the group tried it again, in an empty mansion in Gloucestershire. There were tense meetings. What basically got decided was that the band would not split up. Phil Selway, Radiohead's soft-spoken drummer, told me : "I think what was happening back then was that for the first time we didn't have anything to push against as a group, and so we pushed against each other."

Not until early this year, with Radiohead regrouped in the new studios, did Yorke's idea for the album begin to sink in with everybody else. The band members became more comfortable with setting aside their instruments; at one point last winter they actually split into two groups in two different rooms, one of them charged with making and recording noises and musical snippets without using guitars or drums, the other with reworking this material technologically with studio gizmos and computers. The understanding grew that there would be tracks on which one or more of them would not appear. In a sense, the very notion of being a band member was evolving: what would count most now were taste and ideas. "We were working more like producers than musicians," Selway says.

By spring's end, they had enough material for two albums. That freed up time for another round of anguishing meetings about what tracks should make itonto the album, and in which sequence they should be arranged. "Nigel says working with us was like working with five method actors," Colin Greenwood says. Then, talking about the album itself, he went on to say, "I think we managed somehow to bend the machines to our will - that's what we did together, as a band. We approached them our way, navely, without reading all those instruction manuals - we don't have the patience for that. It's as if in this way we created a kind of false sense of the nostalgia some people get by using older synthesizers from the 70's and 80's."

Strangely, this does come through: Radiohead used up-to-the-minute methods to make a kind of artifact of the future's past - a work that weirdly harks back to right now and the looming exhaustion of the band paradigm.

Defying record-industry conventional wisdom, the band's current European tour will be all but over before the album's release, and there will be no American tour at all. Radiohead will appear on "Saturday Night Live" on Oct. 14, and play one concert at the Greek Theater in Los Angeles later in the month. The only radio show the band will visit is "Morning Becomes Eclectic," the art-pop drive-time show on the Santa Monica public-station KCRW. Radiohead's renunciation of the standard album-release strategy is talked about by industry people as the most understatedly ingenious publicity ploy since the Beatles' cover for the White album.

Tony Wadsworth, president and C.E.O. of EMI, caught himself when he began to tell me recently about how commercially savvy the band is. But he did venture: "These five guys are at a point where they are not going to do a thing they don't want to do - they're not going to be traveling salesmen. They want to find other ways of doing what has to be done to get their records into as many hands as possible."

The members of Radiohead talk about releasing more music from their recent sessions as early as next spring, either in album form, as an EP or online. They have also begun to discuss taking their tent tour to the United States next year. For the moment, they are not talking about not being Radiohead. "I think it will be our personal lives someday that get us drifting away from each other, not aesthetic disagreements," Colin Greenwood said. "I think we'll know the moment when it really comes, as opposed to all the moments when it almost really comes," said Ed O'Brien. Thom Yorke said: "I think we will exhaust all the ideas the band has. And then we'll exhaust the band."

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How to Be Like Colin Greenwood

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The Inside Connection 10.2000

Radiohead and their New Kid A

Breaking Away From their Past
by Gabriella


Thom Yorke (vocals), Jonny Greenwood (guitar, keyboards, xylophone) Ed O'Brien (guitar), Colin Greenwood (bass) and Phil Selway (drums) began playing together in 1987 in Oxford. With their new album, Kid A, it seems that Radiohead said goodbye to everything that made them so popular in the past. Instead of melodies it sounds more like an art project, a mood-invoking avant-garde piece of work, as if they were overdosing on Can and Kraftwerk. Colin Greenwood agrees. “It's true, Can and Kraftwerk were the bands we’ve been listening to a lot, but also Charlie Mingus,” he says. “We wanted to show some new angles in our work. It felt a bit like we were in a dead-end street and that was really frustrating.” Their shy frontman, Thom Yorke, claims that after the enormous success of OK Computer, he felt like he was in a creative prison and tried to break out with this album.

To avoid once again being labeled "guitar pop," they experimented with their fourth studio album, using an Apple Notebook and a vocorder program to get some weird sound effects. "Thom sang through the Notebook and at the same time Jonny’s keyboard was hooked up. We made all sorts of weird experiments, a little bit like the Beastie Boys maybe. They also tried a lot of new and sometimes weird sound effects. It was a very creative, relaxed atmosphere and we really enjoyed working together."

Even Yorke confessed he enjoyed it. "We didn’t have to push ourselves to work. We wanted to get things done, to experiment and find new angles, leave the old paths. We tried to treat the album like a song, let the album develop itself rather than giving it a shape and molding it into a shape, and it worked. It was a completely different way we used for work and it was rather liberating. We had about 40 songs but only a few made it; only a few of them were what we wanted on the album. We toyed with the idea of making it a double album, but I think that would only have confused everybody even more, so we decided to stick with the songs we picked."

The opening cut, "Everything In Its Right Place," continues Radiohead’s evolution of a distant, haunting sound that first appeared on OK Computer in 1997. With just keyboard and vocals, the song goes from stark to swirling when some added effects blend the sound. But the title is a bit misleading: nothing in "Everything In Its Right Place" seems to be in the right place, and it leaves you slightly confused.

The second cut, the title track, offers more of the same free-falling, space-jam, groundless sounds. It’s here that the CD starts to abandon the traditional, blues-based, rock and pop construction of songs, providing a sense of the future. Colin Greenwood is enthusiastic about the beginning of the song. "The way Thom sings those first few lines about Kid A, that's such an excellent opening for the whole album. It really shows you were we're going and what is happening in the album."

While the languid and melodic "How To Disappear Completely" might have fit nicely on OK Computer, the rest of the songs on Kid A don’t fit into the line of classic rock thrillers we're used to from Radiohead. The whole album has a rather strange and slightly scary feel to it. It’s cryptic and yet tuneful, but something is still amiss and one cannot help wondering if Yorke should not be on Prozac, so depressive and scary sound the lyrics and the music together. The lyrics seem to be angst-ridden and a tad darker than just gray, but brothers Colin and Jonny Greenwood claim that there is no reason to be scared for Thom’s mental health.

"Thom isn’t half as moody and unstable as his lyrics can make you believe he is. I think a lot of people take the lyrics too seriously and read too much into it. They only show a part of Thom’s personality, maybe the dark part, but it is still not the whole guy. He used his voice like an instrument and we used the lyrics like pieces in a collage, pierced something together and created an artwork out of a lot of different little things. There is no point in taking the lyrics alone; that’s one of the reasons why we won’t have a lyric sheet with the album."

There is also another reason, but it takes Colin a while to voice what Thom apparently told the band a few times. "Thom is really fed up with being the spokesperson of a lost generation until all eternity, with all their fear, angst, loneliness and post-millennium neurosis. He’s trying to escape that fate by moving, always moving forward, never standing still, always developing."

The CD somehow has the feel of a rather morbid soundtrack, a concept-heavy album that is at times breathtakingly lovely, and at times maddeningly disharmonic and plainly strange. It seems more admirable than likable, filled with long, bleep- and loop-heavy instrumental suites, harmonic and atmospheric songs that are lovely but simply seem to go nowhere. Its 10 songs somehow do fit together, but more in the sense of a concept than an album. Of course, it is a great piece of work; after all, the members of Radiohead are geniuses, but I can’t help wondering if they haven’t started to take their status as geniuses a bit too seriously.

Because of the tortured feeling you get from the album, the question arises if it was planned this way or if it was all just by chance. Yorke claims that it was all just happening somehow. "I think it was the first time we didn’t have a clue what we were going to do, what we were doing. We were just experimenting. We’ve been in this state for about a year, just fooling around, trying out stuff and listening to what we did, then it finally started to get into shape ... after about 18 months."

He also comes up with a rather interesting metaphor for his songs. "The track listing is always the hardest part for me; it is so difficult and almost painful. I can only use the old metaphor about songs being like children. My songs are my kids. Some of them stay with me, some others I have to send out, out to the war. It might sound stupid and it might even sound naive, but that’s just the way it is. I talked to Bjork about it and she agrees, she says she feels exactly the same way about her songs."

Compared to their other albums, OK Computer (1997), Bends (1995) and Pablo Honey (1993), I can’t help but miss the inspired, alternative rock band of the past, and I feel a bit lost with the slightly lifeless homage to artistic abstraction. While brilliant, it certainly is lacking accessibility and a spark of humanity. While all their previous work seemed to be alive and sparkling, Kid A sparkles with a machine-like glow that seems cold.

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How to Be Like Colin Greenwood

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The Observer, 01.09.2000

Sound and fury

Radiohead don't do interviews and they're never photographed together. But when Andrew Smith joined them on tour in Paris, the notoriously temperamental Thom Yorke talked about Nasty Nick, bad reviews and how his breakdown nearly broke the band



In the early 90s, you knew you'd arrived as a rock group the day you made it on to MTV and the Beavis & Butthead show. So it's 1993 and the joke is that Beavis has heard the song before, while Butthead hasn't. Over soft guitars, someone is singing in a baleful falsetto about a girl who makes him cry. Butthead is not alone in feeling impatient.

Beavis: 'Don't worry Butthead, it gets cool in a minute.'

Butthead: 'It better start rocking or I'll really give him something to cry about.'

Beavis: 'Shut up Butthead, it's cool. Check it out, check it out! Here it comes...'

[Metallic guitars ejaculate into a chorus of 'I'm a creep, I'm a weirdo, I don't belong here.']

Beavis: 'Yes! Yes!'

Butthead: 'This is pretty cool.'

Beavis: 'Yeah yeah yeah yeah.'

Butthead: 'Uh?...Uhh?'

[The soft guitars return.]

Beavis: 'What... what's going on...? How come they don't just, like, play that cool part through the whole song?'

Butthead: 'Well, Beavis, if they didn't have, like, a part of the song that sucked, then, it's like, the other part wouldn't be as cool.'

Beavis: 'Really? You're pretty smart Butthead. Hey, here it comes again. Yes! Yes! Raaawk...!'

By the end, they've observed that the singer seems a little low on self-esteem and have helpfully struck up a chant of 'I am somebody, I am somebody'. They are sending up Radiohead, five sallow public schoolboys from Oxford, and they will be neither the first nor the last. Back home, the single which broke them in the US, 'Creep', sank without trace on the first occasion of its release. The NME called them 'a lily-livered excuse for a rock band' ('and they may have had a point,' affable guitarist Ed O'Brien allows late one night in a Parisian hotel bar, seven years later). They were dismissed as a corporate-funded Nirvana-lite and eclipsed by the arrival of Suede, a home-grown rebuke to American grunge, who presaged Britpop and had everything Radiohead didn't; a clear raison d' être, a great first album and the support of the press.

And Suede had a sexy singer. If John Osborne had been born 30 years after he was, there is no question he'd have chosen rock'n'roll over the theatre, and if you imagine the adenoidal playwright modified with a few genes from Richard III, you have the public face of Radiohead's singer circa 1993. Thom Yorke was born in October 1968, with the muscles in his left eye paralysed, a condition which demanded no less than five operations before the age of six. It can still be the case that when he turns his head to the side and fixes you with his cornflower-blue right eye, his left appears to be glaring at someone on the other side of the room, who's annoying him even more than you are. Strangely, this gives him a kind of presence and may be what drummer Phil Selway is referring to when he says that Yorke 'was very noticeable and always stood out in a crowd' at school.

Needless to say, the singer was teased mercilessly when young and could be forgiven for being in a funk with the world, which he learnt from an early age to vent through his music. He was a fighter at school and there is often an undercurrent of rage and frustration in even his most reflective lyrics. He confirms that he still gets hate mail from fans he upset during his last tour. 'Being in a band is about wreaking revenge on the world,' he once conceded. 'It's like when you get chucked by your first girlfriend. You just say to yourself: "I'm going to be famous one day, and she'll regret that..."'

Now we find Thom Yorke standing on a stage, inside a huge blue tent, with lights skittering across the angled surfaces above him and 10,000 rapt Parisians gazing at him from below. In the early days, you'd have got long odds on Radiohead being here, with two seminal albums under their belts, in the form of The Bends (1995) and OK Computer (1997). You'd have got longer odds on their fourth album, Kid A, which is released tomorrow, sparking the kind of critical discussion which hasn't been heard since the two European groups who changed pop - the Beatles and Kraftwerk - were at their peaks. Some critics are calling it a commercial suicide note.

This is the second of two Parisian dates on a short European tour which involves two different tents leapfrogging each other across the continent. It's an enormous production and all the dates are sold out. At this particular moment toward the end of the show, Yorke is the only real focus. His voice brings to mind an angel being attacked by a swarm of bees and he spins a melody the way a spider spins a web, gossamer and intricate, allowing it to drift across a jackhammer electro beat which makes the floor judder and your scalp tingle. As lights strobe and guitarists O'Brien and Jonny Greenwood help to propel the song towards an urgent crescendo, Yorke starts to shudder and squirm as though someone's plugged him into the mains, as though caught up in religious ecstasy. It's an extraordinary moment and I've only ever heard a more fevered response to something a band has done once before - and Take That only had to walk on stage at Wembley to elicit that.

The song is 'Idioteque' and tonight's audience have never heard it before, or anything like it. It's the eighth tune on Kid A and the most striking result of a creative crisis that afflicted the group and has taken the better part of two turbulent years to resolve. The trouble began with OK Computer, which is regarded, with a degree of unanimity as the finest British rock album of the past decade (closely followed by The Bends).

In its wake, the quintet were obliged to tour for a full 12 months, a process which they had been through with The Bends and nearly failed to recover from. This time, Yorke came back disenchanted with the guitar music he had been making and resolved to change it. Melody, he has said, came to seem like 'an embarrassment'. He wanted the emphasis to switch to rhythm. 'I just wasn't interested in guitar music anymore,' he will tell me, going on to deny any suggestions that bravery was involved in tearing Radiohead down and starting over again, saying, 'Yeah, but things were being torn down anyway. That's how I felt. There was no being brave. It was "I either do this or forget it. Just stop."'

The frightening thing, Yorke will add, is that he saw no way out. He had always been the catalyst for Radiohead and there was no one else to take up the reins now. ('We operate like the UN,' he told one interviewer drily, 'and I'm America.')

In February 1999, the five members convened in Paris for a month during which almost nothing was achieved. The same thing happened in Copenhagen later, during which time each individual member had begun to have doubts as to whether the less traditional, less methodical approach the singer was trying to foist on them could ever work - and even if it did, whether there would be a place for them within it.

Yorke had played in a techno group called Flickernoise while studying art and English at Exeter University, but the electronic artists he was holding up as pointers to the way forward now (such as The Aphex Twin and Autechre) mostly worked on their own or in pairs. Nothing was happening and the band was insecure. On some of the tracks, none of them were being asked to contribute directly at all. Only three of the 10 pieces that would eventually comprise Kid A have any obvious guitar parts on them. Selway was not alone in realising that they had been together for 15 years and were essentially the same schoolboy band they'd started out as. But they weren't schoolboys anymore.

Tensions rose until a series of blazing rows led to an acknowledgment that there was space for them all, even though they might not be playing their usual instruments on every track, and earlier this year the album began to take shape. The group were reputedly close to splitting up again in February over the issue of whether to pour all of the 23 tracks they'd recorded on to a double album, or whittle it down to a concise single disc. Once the brooding, piano-driven 'Everything In Its Right Place' had been chosen to open proceedings, the rest of the sequence followed naturally. At only 48 minutes long, Kid A was conceived of, and sounds like, a unitary piece of work, rather than a collection of songs.

Radiohead will admit to eschewing photo shoots partly because they look so peculiar together. They range in height from Yorke's flyweight 5'7", to Ed O'Brien's hulking 6'5", and in age from drummer Selway's 33 to Jonny Greenwood's boyish 28. They met at Abingdon school in the Oxford suburbs and, Yorke excepted, are as articulate and easy-going a crew as you could hope to find anywhere.

I met the brothers Jonny and Colin Greenwood (guitar and bass, respectively) in a north London restaurant, where we chatted amiably about the obvious things, along with history (which Colin read at Peterhouse College, Cambridge), books and music. Jonny was at his most animated when describing the influence of composers Penderecki and Messiaen on his string arrangements for OK Computer and Kid A and Colin explained Radiohead's attitude to fame and success in a way that was unusually comprehensible.

'I think, as long as you keep moving, you're all right,' he said. 'The thing is you're always developing and expanding. It's a protean thing and a public image can't keep pace with it. So it - the process of success - is like this slow-drying glue that sets around you, that slows you down and gums you up. And while all that's happening, your own life's going on at the side of it, with your own relationships and your own experiences and that becomes sort of calcified as well. And the whole thing just grinds to a halt really. And then you suddenly find yourself in the paper or on the cover of a magazine and your life and experiences have become summarised. And once its summarised, its over. So the trick is to try to be in the corner of people's vision, but not full on.'

How much do you feel like rock stars, I'd asked? There had been a wary pause, before Jonny pitched in with 'I don't know. It feels like Radiohead are famous. But that no one knows who we are. Which is brilliant, really.'

By the time we sit down to talk on the train from Paris to London, Thom Yorke has been a thorn in my side for several days. On the whole, he doesn't talk to the British press, because he feels misunderstood and misrepresented by them. He is annoyed by the accusations of miserabalism and implications that he is a spoilt middle-class charlatan. On the latter, he is vituperative.

'The middle-class thing has never been relevant,' he spits. 'We live in Oxford, and in Oxford we're fucking lower class. The place is full of the most obnoxious, self-indulgent, self-righteous oiks on the fucking planet, and for us to be called middle class... well, no, actually. Be around on May Day when they all reel out of the pubs at five in the morning puking up and going "haw haw haw" and trying to hassle your girlfriend...'

He has also been irked by assumptions that a song like 'Exit Music (For A Film)' from OK Computer is about suicide, and that an early number like Anyone Can Play Guitar is a sardonic swipe at the vacuity of being in a band, when it was intended as an innocent celebration. Phil Selway has protested that 'I've always seen our songs as being quite positive. They confront very painful topics, but at some time there's always a sense that there's a struggle with them and an attempt to overcome them.' Yorke, too, considers that he worked through a lot of his post-adolescent angst on the patchy first album, Pablo Honey, and changed through the making of The Bends, at which time he realised that 'there's a fine line between writing something with genuine emotional impact and turning into little idiots feeling sorry for ourselves and playing stadium rock'.

The lyrics for Kid A will not be printed on the sleeve and Yorke has resisted even explaining them to the band. A few, like the refrain of 'You can try the best you can/ you can try the best you can/ the best you can is good enough' - a piece of advice his girlfriend frequently offers him - on 'Optimistic', seem self-evident. Most do not. He describes the indiscernible words to the whispering electronic title track as 'the most vicious I've ever sung'.

Yorke has been avoiding me to a degree that has begun to assume comic proportions and I'm marvelling at the extent to which people come to resemble their persecutors after a time, when word arrives that he will talk.

When I finally settle into a seat opposite him, I find him disarmingly friendly, even warm. He smiles and laughs a lot, turning out to have a keen sense of humour. I ask why he is so fearful of these situations and he explains that he doesn't like having to answer for something that someone else has written. He no longer reads anything about himself, not even reviews of his records.

We return to the turmoil that descended on Kid A.

'When we finished the OK Computer tour, I had a sort of big... block. I basically thought that was it. I thought that I wouldn't be able to do whatever it is that I do again. We were still sort of working, but I had no faith in it. So I was in this endless cycle - and it was very much on my own as well, because we didn't see each other much for awhile. And I was doing bits and pieces, mucking around really. But in the process I was discovering that I'd lost all confidence in myself.'

Why? You had just made two critically and commercially successful albums. What more did you want?

'Yeah, but if you've lost faith in the way that you're going, then that's where you end up. I always used to use music as a way of moving on and dealing with things and I sort of felt like, that the thing that helped me deal with things had been sold to the highest bidder and I was simply doing its bidding. And I couldn't handle that. And that was all sort of wrapped up with feeling huge amounts of guilt about something that, when it was good, just came naturally anyway. So it all just went round and round in circles for ages. So there's no bravado about we're gonna shake this shit up, really. It's more like, I can't carry on like this.'

Do you have any sympathy with the idea that rock has run its course and there's nothing left to do but trot out the tired cliches?

'Oh yeah, absolutely. Totally. I 100 per cent agree with it.'

But Radiohead are regarded as one of the few groups capable of taking it anywhere new.

'God help us if we are. The thing I have a problem with is the fact that so much of what people - of what journalists - term rock music now is really not based on the music itself, but based on the lifestyle that goes with it. It's like a lifestyle choice... That doesn't mean that people should stop using drums and guitars, but why stand up and say, "I'm a rock star - in 10 years time I'm going to get fucked up on smack..." The mythology around it has run its course and is stale and uncreative now, and it has been destroying the people who've been trying to make the music.

'I worry about that in the context of the album we've just done, as well. I absolutely want no part in any suggestions that our decision to use some electronic instruments is some kind of lifestyle choice. It's not. You use the instrument to help you get across a certain thing that you want to get across. That's all.'

But haven't you often been hostage to the belief that you need to be in a state of turmoil to be creative?

'No. No, I dealt with that one. I think the turmoil that is required is one that you can find any day walking down the street. I don't think you need to go and seek it out. Any normal human being goes through states of flux which they need to resolve by talking to people or making their art or whatever.'

Would it be true to say that you have a generally pessimistic caste of mind, though?

'No. I don't think so.'

That's certainly your reputation.

'Yeah, whatever. It depends what it's about. No I don't think like that at all, actually. For me, even when things are incredibly bleak in terms of the world you see reflected in the newspaper, I still sort of find you can get excited when you look in people's eyes when they walk down the street and sometimes you see really nasty, terrifying things, but most of the time you just see a bunch of people trying to get it together and there's something really hopeful in that. It sounds a bit bonkers, but there you go.'

You've found touring tiresome and destructive in the past. Having seen it as close quarters, I'm constantly surprised that anyone with a modicum of sensitivity and/or intelligence survives that life for more than a year.

'I don't think they do. I think they either step out, or they go pop.'

Have you felt close to doing either of those things?

'Oh, I did go pop.' He smiles broadly and gazes out of the window, chuckling. 'I definitely went pop.'

How did this 'pop' manifest itself?

'Oh it was a fairly quiet little pop, really. I was really... I saw this really cheesy Bruce Lee film, the story of his life. And there's this bit in it where he's standing between two mirrors and there's this break and he goes nuts and he has a seizure. Well it was like that without the seizure. It was just on and off really. I mean it wasn't like... it was just a state of mind. But in a way it was just kind of not knowing how to deal with it. And I look back now and I'm really quite happy that it happened, because it makes you decide what to do and then go on that path for awhile. And then you sort of pick yourself up and you carry on and you feel so much better that you've done it. It feels like I'm a little bit tougher than I was. I have more confidence.

'I got really into these hawthorn hedges in the woods near where I live. The way the branches weave together reminds me of a human brain and I love the way that the rain flows along them and the life that's lived in them - it's like this path you choose to take and it gets thinner at the end. And I used to draw these things endlessly, for weeks on end, I used to go sit in the woods and draw these trees. I still do it.'

Did your friends stick by you through what sounds like a breakdown of some kind?

'They were brilliant. Even when I was being a bastard , they were really cool about it. That's when you find out... and that's another cliche. What I should really be doing is wearing a cowboy hat...'

Do you think the rest of the band is secure with your new recording methods now? You could work alone if you wanted to.

'No, but you see, I couldn't. Well, what I'd been saying to them all along... I'm built to always work with other people.'

What do you get from them?

'Points of reference. Otherwise, I'd just go off in lala land and then I don't know where I am, what I'm doing. It all becomes meaningless. Because I'll get bored or frustrated. My running joke with myself is like being one of those ad executives: you know, the ideas man, the painfully annoying neurotic ones who run around banging loads of charlie and coming up with one idea a month? That sort of thing.'

Kid A is the one of the first albums to make good use of the CD format. In the days of vinyl, artists were limited to 45 minutes worth of music, split down the middle. CDs have made it possible for records to grow enormously in length, beyond what many of us are prepared or able to take on in a single sitting. As a result, we skip about, consume in byte-size chunks, much as we do in so many other areas of our lives: as the author James Gleick points out in his book Faster: The Acceleration of Just About Everything, we are gradually losing the ability to relax and focus on one thing for any length of time.

To be appreciated in the initial stages, Kid A demands to be heard continuously, as a piece, in the same way that much classical music does. If this care, or rather desire, is not there on the part of the listener, it gives little of itself away. But under the right circumstances, when it does, it turns out to be the equal and more of its predecessors.

From the opening strains of 'Everything In Its Right Place', with its elliptical piano motif and mantra-like vocal, to the near devotional hush of 'Motion Picture Soundtrack' at the end, this is a record which constantly surprises with its emotional range and beauty. As if to underscore the point, Radiohead are refusing to release any singles from it, or make videos. In future, they say, they may choose to issue material as and when it's ready, over the internet, thus avoiding the bi-annual marketing putsch.

How do you think Kid A is going to be received? I asked Yorke

'I think people should just decide for themselves and we'll be getting on with something else. That's about it. No other feelings. If people have a problem with it, well, I wont be reading about it anyway. And I won't be apologising for it. You can't make music and then be responsible for the way that people receive it all the time. [Sarcastically] Not unless you really know your market.'

Is the title a reference to Carl Steadman's book, Kid A in Alphabet Street?

'No. It just seemed to work. I think the best ones are usually like that. Often, if you call it something specific, it drives the record in a certain way. I like the non-meaning. All sorts of bizarre things have come up in relation to it. But the one I like is based on the idea that, somewhere, some errant scientist has already created the first completely genetically cloned baba - Kid A. I'm sure its happened. I'm sure somewhere it's already been done, even though it's illegal now.'

Colin was saying that you and the others all have what he characterised as a middle-class aversion to altercation.

'Well, I think a lot of that is... I guess in a way... we were all brought up in kind of an... those sort of schools are ultra, ultra competitive. And you never really lose it. Like that bloke in Big Brother - he says, having not watched it.'

Nasty Nick?

'I absolutely recognised him. And you look at him and think, "You absolute arsehole." But then you think, "No I was brought up like that." Achievement is everything and if anybody gets in the way you just want to kill. I think there was quite a lot of that and... that was one of the things we had to sort out, really! Cos it couldn't carry on like that... like if you were a businessman and every time you didn't get your own way, you got really vindictive with the people involved, then...'

You were inclined to do that?

'Oh yeah. Big time. Because I felt like... it's a weird thing because if you have something in your head and it feels like its going there, then suddenly it's being dragged away by other people, you freak. Because, essentially, in order for me personally to stay OK about what I do I have to see through whatever it is that's appearing in my head. That's my instinct, anyway, but then the best things are often those that go somewhere you weren't expecting. It's learning to trust to that. The whole point of being in a band and having Nigel [Godrich] produce us is that things happen that I don't know anything about. And the best feeling in the world is when you sit there and watch it go somewhere unexpected. 'How to Disappear' on Kid A , for instance, I had no involvement in that at all after the demo stage. Jonny did everything else. We managed to turn it into this incredible thing. I think that was good for me to see that happen and to let it happen.'

Are you still surprised by what comes out of Radiohead?

'Oh yeah. That's the qualification for a song that goes on the record. Each one has had that happen to it. That's the best thing in the world. It's why I keep doing it.'

Spitting Image once did a skit on Orson Welles, under the title of 'The man who lived his life backwards'. Now look at this. What about the band who started out with an understated, little-understood album of opaque but brilliant songs, which John Peel loved, then went on to a critically acclaimed middle period, culminating in the big corporate sell-out and success in America with a compromised album at the end. Now look at that backwards. It's Radiohead, isn't it? What do you say to these people? Except, perhaps, 'this is pretty cool, huh huh huh...'

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How to Be Like Colin Greenwood

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